[newguyintv]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Seems to me that each poster has as much right to post their opinion as you do. Your constant negativity toward the developer is your opinion, and likely erroneous, but you still have the right post it, don't you?

When people make untrue statements they should be called to task. You have no idea about the history behind this situation so please don't let your unbridled devotion to the developer blind you from the facts.

[newguyintv]

Originally Posted by Bonny

I would think, just as you, everyone is free to post their opinions.

Opinions are one thing; erroneous and misinformation is quite another.

[asianthree]

It was a great place for breakfast. I do know that a couple of the workers lived in Michigan and we brought down to help run the business. It was doing well. I know what it's like to have a successful business and then have The owner want something else in your spot. They just raise the rent to what you can't afford to make it work. So you move. But the business rarely survives in a different spot as well as the first. Right or wrong it's the owner of the building that wants to make a better profit.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

If you own a business and lease the property that the business is one, then you know that the lease will end at some point. Unless there is an automatic renewal in perpetuity clause a business owner knows that there may come a day when the property owner decides to not renew the lease for whatever reason.

Property owners do with their property what is best for them. Is there anything wrong with that?

If you own a home and rent it out on a yearly basis, each year you will probably increase the rent. If the renter decides that the rent is too high, he has the option of moving out.

If someone comes along and offers to buy the property for more than what it is worth, you might choose to sell the property when the lease ends.

What is the problem here? The Villages owns the property and has rented it to this business for a specific period of time. That time is up. The Villages has decided to do something else with the property. That is their business and their right.

The business owner, on the other hand has the option to either close up shop or move their business to another location. That is their business and their right.

[rustyp]

It could be The Developer plans to use this facility as the ticket booth for the new monorail system.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by newguyintv

You are wrong on all counts. The business is very successful. The Owner is in his forties, its his Father who is in his sixties. There is more than meets the eye to this story so suggest unless you know the facts that you stop posting erroneous information. My guess is the TV does not wnat them around to compete with Katie Belles when it reopens.

So you think that the Morses are trying to rent out the space now used for a restaurant for something other than a restaurant so as to make Katie Belle's more successful?


I would like to point out that in the last few years the Morses have sold out their restaurant businesses; Cane Garden, The Lighthouse, and the place that is now Panera's.


But maybe you are right. We will see.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by newguyintv

When people make untrue statements they should be called to task. You have no idea about the history behind this situation so please don't let your unbridled devotion to the developer blind you from the facts.

I hardly have unbridled devotion to the developer. However I don't understand how any individual can be so negative. If you have "facts" why not share them. And for goodness sakes if you are so miserable here in TV why not look for someplace where you can be happier. Life is too short to go through it with chronic negativity. And we are all getting older by the day. When you first started posting you WERE the new guy in TV - but you are now the "been here for awhile guy"

[NYGUY]

I guess I will have to go back to getting my Zweigle's Hot Dogs shipped in from Rochester.

This is the place I used for years:

NY Style Deli -- Welcome

[graciegirl]

I read this and thought the father was older;

Athens NY Restaurant - Home

Inside the link here is a quote;



"Our family recipes have been handed down from many generations and will continue throughout the years. We don't believe in frozen processed foods. All of our foods are prepared each and every day fresh. Our desserts are made by our father who has been around the world learning new recipes.

With over 50 years of Hospitality experience, the Kitrinos family has been providing families, friends, and businesses from all around the world with exceptional elegance and creativity in the gourmet foods that they have created. From extravagant hotels to casinos and from famous race tracks to exotic ships, the history behind our family continues today within our dishes here in The Villages, Florida."

[TheVillageChicken]

Originally Posted by newguyintv

You are wrong on all counts. The business is very successful. The Owner is in his forties, its his Father who is in his sixties. There is more than meets the eye to this story so suggest unless you know the facts that you stop posting erroneous information. My guess is the TV does not wnat them around to compete with Katie Belles when it reopens.

I do love irony.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by newguyintv

Would it surprise you to know I have been here since the total population of TV was less than 8000, so I could probably tell you a few things about the place that you have no idea about. You assume I don't like it here which is simply another way of saying you haven't a clue about what you are talking about. Too bad if you don't like my opinion about certain issues; I don't much care for yours either!

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[billethkid]

There have been many businesses over the years that have left for one reason or another and the most prevelent, most convenient, most used excuse was the rent was to high and could not make it work or TV did not renew the lease.

I suggest without first hand knowledge of the real reasons being actually KNOWN, to not blame TV. Having been involved in more than one of the lease arrangements with TV, I can offer the little I consider myself to know. For sure there is usually within an original lease or a renewal the option for another 5 years or two 5 year options. In the event of a lease not having any options to renew the establishment doing the leasing knows right then and there they are subject to potential non renewal.

Why would one either make a lease or renew without options for renewal? It costs no more. It does not commit one to stay. And it protects the availability of the location/establishment.

To me to hear TV would not renew the lease does not make sense and sounds like the easy explanation being used again. There is more to the story!

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Exactly. It could be that it wasn't going well. Two restaurants on that square are closing. Maybe the owner is getting older and wants to retire. Isn't he in his seventies? An established business that pays it's rent on time is very desirable. Why would you want a new one?

Do you happen to know if he doesn't pay his rent on time? And you are quite productive in your seventies, right? I know several people still working in their seventies. And if he is still keeping two ohther restos open in other locations, I doubt The Villages is just thinking, "oh, he's too old and might retire soon."

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Do you happen to know if he doesn't pay his rent on time? And you are quite productive in your seventies, right? I know several people still working in their seventies. And if he is still keeping two ohther restos open in other locations, I doubt The Villages is just thinking, "oh, he's too old and might retire soon."

My POINT was that HE Mr.Athens the older, might want to retire. Not that he didn't pay his rent or didn't cook nice.


Sometimes people use face saving excuses for things like this...and it could be the gawdawful truth that the danged Morses want to double the rent or something.


I sure hope that the Morses are as nice as I think they are, but ya never know. WHY would the Morses want to get rid of a good tenant? Perhaps the tenant wanted to quit? Maybe? Huh? Perhaps? Their lease was up.

Maybe they will reopen in another location that is lower rent and bigger and nicer? We will just wait and see.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by billethkid

There have been many businesses over the years that have left for one reason or another and the most prevelent, most convenient, most used excuse was the rent was to high and could not make it work or TV did not renew the lease.

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To me to hear TV would not renew the lease does not make sense and sounds like the easy explanation being used again. There is more to the story!

Isn't that building being renovated to facilitate first floor retail - and perhaps this is the last piece in that plan? And that's why TV would not offer to renew?