[villagerjack]

Originally Posted by Hancle704

"If you like the doctor/insurance you have you will be able to keep it and most families will save about $2500/year on their medical insurance." Was it all a dream?

You will never convince some who think everything should be free. Free for them means someone else has to pay. But that is OK as long as it is not " ME".

P.S. THE INDUSTRIAL NATIONS THAT HAVE "FREE" HEALTHCARE. THEY ARE ALL FALLING APART, TAXES ARE THROUGH THE ROOF! .

[villagerjack]

Originally Posted by dave harris

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems.
The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

We are the only industrialized country without national health insurance. I guess we know better.

Google the Payroll tax in those Countries and you will learn why.... YES WE DO KNOW BETTER.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by villagerjack

Google the Payroll tax in those Countries and you will learn why.... YES WE DO KNOW BETTER.

Yes, we do. I've said it before, but I'll repeat it---the WHO "rankings" are total BS. US ranks 28th, Luxembourg ranks #1. The WHO uses a weighted formula that includes life expectancy at about 50%, and financial "fairness" at 50%. Most countries only count births beyond 34 weeks in their statistics, the US reports ANY "birth", even at 24 weeks that takes 1 breath then dies. This gives us a high infant mortality rate and therefore a lower life expectancy at "birth". The financial part includes factors like access to care, overall health of the population, and percentage of income spent on health care. The more a country taxes and "redistributes" income, the better they rank.
So, putting aside the mechanics of how the WHO advocates for socialism, and therefore ranks US low, consider this: When world leaders, royalty, and billionaires get sick, they flock to "Luxembourg", not NY or Boston---right???

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Yes, we do. I've said it before, but I'll repeat it---the WHO "rankings" are total BS. US ranks 28th, Luxembourg ranks #1. The WHO uses a weighted formula that includes life expectancy at about 50%, and financial "fairness" at 50%. Most countries only count births beyond 34 weeks in their statistics, the US reports ANY "birth", even at 24 weeks that takes 1 breath then dies. This gives us a high infant mortality rate and therefore a lower life expectancy at "birth". The financial part includes factors like access to care, overall health of the population, and percentage of income spent on health care. The more a country taxes and "redistributes" income, the better they rank.

So, putting aside the mechanics of how the WHO advocates for socialism, and therefore ranks US low, consider this: When world leaders, royalty, and billionaires get sick, they flock to "Luxembourg", not NY or Boston---right???

Well said, GE, well said.

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[villagerjack]

Gracie, he is just giving you some SAFE SPACE which would cost you $60,000 a year to get at YALE, MISSOURI OR OCCIDENTAL UNIVERSITIES. Here you got it FREE

[villagerjack]

Forget "who bears," it's the totals here that are mind-boggling. In most countries, if you add up the "employer" and "employee" contributions, you get between 30 and 40%. So, if a worker produces 100 euros worth of output, 30-40 euros immediately go to the government. And there is an additional 20%+ VAT when the worker goes to buy something. So, right out of the gate, we have a 50-60% wedge between working and the fruits of labor. Income taxes, corporate taxes and property, excise, and other taxes are all on top of that! It's a wonder anyone in Europe bothers to work at all.


This was in the WSJ

[Buffalo Jim]

The best insight into how the news in question will impact United HealthCare is to look at the impact on their stock price .
The news in question had very little to no impact as of Friday .

[billybye]

Actually anyone in Medicare or ACA needs to get on computer and check around. Probably won't find UHC the best option available.
I am on Medicare with BC/BS and changing to Care Plus next year for lower deductibles and RX costs. UHC was not even in the running price wise.
My wife had an ACA 2015 platinum plan with BC/BS that was increasing greatly next year. We found another BC/BS 2016 plan in the silver category for less money, and was a better plan than the platinum we had.
If you do a lot of research you will be surprised. I was SHOCKED.

[RickeyD]

Originally Posted by billybye

Actually anyone in Medicare or ACA needs to get on computer and check around. Probably won't find UHC the best option available.
I am on Medicare with BC/BS and changing to Care Plus next year for lower deductibles and RX costs. UHC was not even in the running price wise.
My wife had an ACA 2015 platinum plan with BC/BS that was increasing greatly next year. We found another BC/BS 2016 plan in the silver category for less money, and was a better plan than the platinum we had.
If you do a lot of research you will be surprised. I was SHOCKED.

Quite right, we found the very same thing. Its analogous to putting the largest size of anything into your supermarket basket thinking its the better deal but a short math calc shows the smaller containers are actually the better deal. It's good to know you're benefiting from the ACA.

[villagerjack]

Originally Posted by RickeyD

Quite right, we found the very same thing. Its analogous to putting the largest size of anything into your supermarket basket thinking its the better deal but a short math calc shows the smaller containers are actually the better deal. It's good to know you're benefiting from the ACA.

You would think that the Government would be on your side and not try to deceive you like that! Don't listen to what they say....watch what they do. I wonder how many countless others were deceived?

[RickeyD]

Originally Posted by villagerjack

You would think that the Government would be on your side and not try to deceive you like that! Don't listen to what they say....watch what they do. I wonder how many countless others were deceived?

The government will not tell you what deductions you're entitled to on your 1040. It's up to you to find them.

[villagerjack]

Originally Posted by RickeyD

The government will not tell you what deductions you're entitled to on your 1040. It's up to you to find them.

That is a lot different than deceiving the uninitiated into purchasing a healthcare plan presumed to be the best ( platinum)! When the next less expensive model down (gold) is actually a better plan for less money. Pure Deception.

[RickeyD]

Originally Posted by villagerjack

That is a lot different than deceiving the uninitiated into purchasing a healthcare plan presumed to be the best ( platinum)! When the next less expensive model down (gold) is actually a better plan for less money. Pure Deception.

If you want super low copayments and deductibles then the platinum plans fit the bill. If you want higher copayments with a low out of pocket max then the silver is the way to go. Its not deception, it all depends upon on your individual medical needs and wants. I would much rather have many choices instead of just a few. Its not deception, its choice.

[villagerjack]

Originally Posted by RickeyD

If you want super low copayments and deductibles then the platinum plans fit the bill. If you want higher copayments with a low out of pocket max then the silver is the way to go. Its not deception, it all depends upon on your individual medical needs and wants. I would much rather have many choices instead of just a few. Its not deception, its choice.

The choice between bad or worse is not really Choice. these are very costly insurance plans and I do not know anyone saving the promiced $2500. Deception and lies.