Originally Posted by Guest

I was just listening to Fox News Sunday. The topic was the Freedom Caucus and how THEY defeated TrumpfCare.

The Freedom Caucus demanded that the Pre-Existing Conditions requirement be REMOVED so premiums would be less (or so they could be paid off by insurance companies).

How would that provision go over with all Villagers?

The extreme Republicans are trying to screw you over again.

I have found that Fox spends very little time on the actual content of the bill, and of corse on this forum, nobody discussing the actual content of the bill...just find an excuse for Trump....

"Trump's public comments about the healthcare bill gave individual Republicans in Congress two pieces of information that reduced their incentive to compromise with him about the bill's contents:

Trump doesn't really care what the bill does, exactly, so long as he can sign it and say that it "repeals and replaces" Obamacare.
Trump really, really wants to sign some bill quickly so he can get past this healthcare chore and move on to fun topics like trade and taxes.
You don't walk into a negotiation and tell your counterparty that you're desperate to make a deal fast and on any terms. But Trump did just that, which is why Freedom Caucus members knew the White House was bluffing when it claimed the bill was closed and wouldn't be amended further.

Trump invited the Freedom Caucus to squeeze him dry. Weak! Bad!

Trump eventually seemed to realize this error, claiming if no bill passed by Friday, he wouldn't participate in future efforts to repeal Obamacare.

But that threat was implausible because of his prior admissions. He should have read his own book:

The AHCA failed because Trump is bad at making deals - Business Insider

Originally Posted by Guest

Well, not meant to be harsh, but enjoy it while you have it. You might want to plan for an alternative means of health care, because you may not have Obiecare by the end of summer. It's about to fail and a lot of folks are going to be crying about it, rather than replacing it. It was never meant to be sustainable.

Can you tell us, since you must have inside imformation, approximately when it might fail so we can be prepared. LOL LOL

"Trump is a highly successful businessman. But he is not, as he claims, a highly successful dealmaker.

Trump is an incredibly talented, natural marketer. He was very good at convincing people they should want to buy Trump apartments, reasonably good at convincing people they should want to golf at Trump golf clubs, and for a time quite successful at getting people to want to watch Trump fire people on television.

Trump innately understands certain kinds of consumers, and he understood things about the electorate that none of his opponents in the 2016 election did. There are reasons he won an election that nobody believed he could.

He wasn't very good at convincing people they should want to buy Trump Steaks, but then, nobody bats a thousand.

We know from what we've seen of Trump's tax returns that he lost a great deal of money in the 1990s and that he was making a great deal of money by the mid-2000s. Not coincidentally, over this period Trump shifted the focus of his professional endeavors away from businesses that were heavy on dealmaking and toward businesses that were heavy on marketing, particularly arrangements in which he would rent his name to somebody else who was actually in the business of developing real estate.

Unfortunately, unlike the general endeavor of being a "famous, rich business guy," there is no way to adjust the presidency so it's heavier on the marketing aspects and lighter on the dealmaking aspects.

It's a president's job to make deals. And Trump's lack of talent for dealmaking is going to be a major liability for him in office.

The AHCA failed because Trump is bad at making deals - Business Insider

Originally Posted by Guest

Can't really call it a failure if there was no vote. An example of failure is Obamare. Only 6 million more have health care today than in 2009 according to our gov figures and fact checking. But, millions lost their insurance and were made to buy Obamacare or pay a penalty. Millions are paying more for insurance, after Obama promised they would pay less. And now, many states are down to only one insurance company in the Obamacare pool. On top of it all, Obamacare was constructed to fail and the naive lefty voters still can't see it or admit it.

Why did they pull trumpcare back, because they didn't have the votes to pass it, therefore it would have failed. It is a failure.

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear guest:

You are correct. One wonders why Obamacare was needed in the first place? the focus was on the uninsured and uninsurable and yet Obama sought to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Why? that is a rhetorical question becuse everyone knew and knows that Obama constructed this plan to fail so he could move to a single payer plan. Why a single payer plan? Because it achieves more control and power to the federal government and it is a perfect mechanism for income redistribution, single payer health is every socialist dream.

Trump was the only adult in the room. he was smart to have pulled back and he will regroup and we will have a new health care insurance system in place before his 4 years are up and one that will be conducive to people's income and growth of business.

Personal Best Regards:

So since trump is in, he can stay with Obamacare because he won't let it fail and have to go to a single payer system. trump an adult, I think you spelled that wrong, it's adulterer.

Originally Posted by Guest

Wow! MDLBQ really likes to post! Too bad that he has no clue of what he is saying.

There are over 20 million formerly uninsured people who are now insured.

Remember that it was Chief Justice Roberts - a GW Bush appointee - that declared the tax (mandate) was Constitutional.

Yes, the Republican health plan did fail. Ryan and Trumpf (German slang for FART) could not gather enough Republican votes to carry it to victory. Therefore, it FAILED.

I have gov statistics to back me up. What do you have sandy, other than liberal talking points to back you up.

In 2009 there were Approx. 36 million without health care insurance.--politicfact.
Today, according to the CBO there are Approx. 31+ million without insurance. Easy math. Even you should be able to do it. After all, someone showed you how to log in to this site. I 'm sure they can do subtraction for you.

What was the count on the vote? Don't know? Maybe because they haven't voted yet. A postponement in not a failure, but suit yourself if you like the idea of your country failing. It's just like you on the left to be UN-American and wish it to fail. Just like Obamacare will be failing this year.

Originally Posted by Guest

Well, not meant to be harsh, but enjoy it while you have it. You might want to plan for an alternative means of health care, because you may not have Obiecare by the end of summer. It's about to fail and a lot of folks are going to be crying about it, rather than replacing it. It was never meant to be sustainable.

I'm afraid you are right it may fail but the reason will be Trump who has/will sabotage the Obama Care by not enforcing the mandate that requires people to buy health insurance.

I don't understand how republicans can on one hand say they won't force people to buy health insurance but when those same people need health care they have no problem forcing us responsible people citizens for paying for their health care.

Originally Posted by Guest

There are over 20 million formerly uninsured people who are now insured.

Why Obamacare's ‘20 Million’ Number Is Fake

Originally Posted by Guest

Why Obamacare's ‘20 Million’ Number Is Fake

Daily Signal/Heritage Foundation...enough said.


Deepest Sincere Wishes:

Originally Posted by Guest

I'm afraid you are right it may fail but the reason will be Trump who has/will sabotage the Obama Care by not enforcing the mandate that requires people to buy health insurance.

I don't understand how republicans can on one hand say they won't force people to buy health insurance but when those same people need health care they have no problem forcing us responsible people citizens for paying for their health care.

The country cannot afford to "insure" 50 million people at a $1,000 a month value. They CAN'T pay...that is what Obamacare was all about..."insure" everyone with equal to $1,000 a month care and only "fine them" $750 a year. Most don't pay a thing because if you're already on welfare, it's included. They "supposedly" don't have $750 to spare.

Originally Posted by Guest

Daily Signal/Heritage Foundation...enough said.


Deepest Sincere Wishes:

Well, I looked for a CNN article...

Nobody answered my last post. How was my vote bought? If it was bought I would have voted for the D. If I was being selfless and voting for things to be different and try something different I would vote for an R. So based on your statement before O Sage of TOTV whom did I vote for with my purchased vote and how much was I paid and exactly where did the payment go? I can't wait to hear the answer to this!

Originally Posted by Guest

Nobody answered my last post. How was my vote bought? If it was bought I would have voted for the D. If I was being selfless and voting for things to be different and try something different I would vote for an R. So based on your statement before O Sage of TOTV whom did I vote for with my purchased vote and how much was I paid and exactly where did the payment go? I can't wait to hear the answer to this!

Really?

Well, isn't eliminating Obamacare..."making things different and trying something different?"

Surely you knew, that's what the Repub's have been screaming about doing for years now?

I hope I'm wrong, but it sure sounds like you voted for Chump.

If so...how's that vote feel now?

Still feeling "selfless?"

Originally Posted by Guest

I'm afraid you are right it may fail but the reason will be Trump who has/will sabotage the Obama Care by not enforcing the mandate that requires people to buy health insurance.

I don't understand how republicans can on one hand say they won't force people to buy health insurance but when those same people need health care they have no problem forcing us responsible people citizens for paying for their health care.

Maybe Trump is not going to FORCE the mandate because Americans do not want it, other than liberals that want everyone else to pay their way and think that by forcing someone to purchase a product or service is going to help them. Maybe Trump, like most of us believes that the mandate is unconstitutional, regardless of how the last administration spun the lie that it was not a tax or penalty.

But, of course the leftards are going to blame Trump. I guess blaming Bush expired once Obie was evicted from the White House.

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