Here are a few examples of progressive reasoning. Feel free to add to this list. Anticipate that progressives on this forum will do their due diligence to sabotage this thread, as do their brothers and sister across the nation.



Progressives are howling that the issue of "drinking milk" is racist. Why? because one of the claims for drinking milk is to guard against osteoporosis. However osteoporosis has a lower incidence in the black community. Ergo this hasn't been clearly acknowledged by the milk industry and hence it is viewed as being discriminatory.

Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin signed into law a bill making attacks on police, and emergency responders a hate crime ( Blue Lives Matter). Civil rights leaders objected stating harsh penalties already exist . Apparently only Black Lives Matter? . Does hae really discriminate?

Do you suppose progressive have figured out that people initially start a business for their economic benefit? Given the push by progressives via labor unions you would believe that these new start ups exist only to serve unions to help grow their membership.

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Originally Posted by Guest

Here are a few examples of progressive reasoning. Feel free to add to this list. Anticipate that progressives on this forum will do their due diligence to sabotage this thread, as do their brothers and sister across the nation.



Progressives are howling that the issue of "drinking milk" is racist. Why? because one of the claims for drinking milk is to guard against osteoporosis. However osteoporosis has a lower incidence in the black community. Ergo this hasn't been clearly acknowledged by the milk industry and hence it is viewed as being discriminatory.

Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin signed into law a bill making attacks on police, and emergency responders a hate crime ( Blue Lives Matter). Civil rights leaders objected stating harsh penalties already exist . Apparently only Black Lives Matter? . Does hae really discriminate?

Do you suppose progressive have figured out that people initially start a business for their economic benefit? Given the push by progressives via labor unions you would believe that these new start ups exist only to serve unions to help grow their membership.

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BREAKING: After seven years of criticizing Obamacare, Republicans couldn't even pass their OWN bill.

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BREAKING: After seven years of criticizing Obamacare, Republicans couldn't even pass their OWN bill.

It ain't over until the fat Hillary sings...

Remember, it is your country that you are wishing it to fail. Obamacare is failing and will be defunct by the middle of the year. If you want zero health care for others, then keep cheering any hindrance or failure. Being a prissy little girl does not help the country.

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BREAKING: After seven years of criticizing Obamacare, Republicans couldn't even pass their OWN bill.

And this has what to so with the subject of the OP?

More progressive logic.

The head of the FBI says that so far, there is no evidence that something occurred. This is the considered "demonstrable evidence" that it did not occur.

The really sad thing that that both sides do it. That take quotes that are favorable to their side an use them to in an attempt to bolster their argument. And they take quotes that are possibly unfavorable to the opposition and misuse them to knock down their argument.

This is just so much silliness. Until we stop playing "gotcha" we'll never get any problems solved.

Originally Posted by Guest

More progressive logic.

The head of the FBI says that so far, there is no evidence that something occurred. This is the considered "demonstrable evidence" that it did not occur.

The really sad thing that that both sides do it. That take quotes that are favorable to their side an use them to in an attempt to bolster their argument. And they take quotes that are possibly unfavorable to the opposition and misuse them to knock down their argument.

This is just so much silliness. Until we stop playing "gotcha" we'll never get any problems solved.

And until we're HONEST...none of our problems will be solved.

Originally Posted by Guest

More progressive logic.

The head of the FBI says that so far, there is no evidence that something occurred. This is the considered "demonstrable evidence" that it did [I[/I]not occur.

The really sad thing that that both sides do it. That take quotes that are favorable to their side an use them to in an attempt to bolster their argument. And they take quotes that are possibly unfavorable to the opposition and misuse them to knock down their argument.

This is just so much silliness. Until we stop playing "gotcha" we'll never get any problems solved.

The Russian government attempted to influence an election in the United States.

THIS IS A FACT

This fact verified by all 17 units of the US intelligence community, PLUS other allies throughout the world.

Very serious thus congress began an investigation into that.

Part of that investigation involved asking HOW, WHY, and was anyone in USA involved.

During that investigation, the President of the United States made a claim that he was phone tapped by Past President Obama, and HE, the President asked that comm to add to their charge to look into wiretapping of him or his campaign by Barrack Obama.

The investigation found thus far that the attempt took place, and that the influence was to hurt Clinton to insure. Victory for whomever she ran against. That was the original intent of the Russians, As things progressed and Trump became the candidate, there seemingly was much contact between the Trump campaign and Russian organizations known to be fronts. And of course since that is where this investigation took them they continues.

The hearing last week...

1. Assured us that the Russians did make the attempt in concert with Wiki leaks. It was discussed HOW they did it, much of the timin, etc.

2. Explanations given as to the many faceted things that must occur to have anyone wiretapped, and statement that nobody has any information to President Obama being involved in any wiretapping. Sine the President publicly to international media accused Britain of helping Obama, that was investigated and shown false. This was added if you recall at the request of the President.

3. It was revealed that there is an investigation into whether any collusion between Trump campaign and Russia. That investigation is still on going.

So, I am not sure what you folks are saying. Do not get caught up in defending if there is nothing to defend.

I am also struck by the total silence if all good patriots with a foreign country getting involved in our electoral process.

You would expect that no matter your political leanings, that would be a primary source of anger and wanting an investigation, but seems not so much

PS: keep in mind, there is no onus on anyone to prove Obama DID anything. The onus is to find out if Trump's unfounded (by him) accusation of a felony committed by Obama took place.

Originally Posted by Guest

Here are a few examples of progressive reasoning. Feel free to add to this list. Anticipate that progressives on this forum will do their due diligence to sabotage this thread, as do their brothers and sister across the nation.



Progressives are howling that the issue of "drinking milk" is racist. Why? because one of the claims for drinking milk is to guard against osteoporosis. However osteoporosis has a lower incidence in the black community. Ergo this hasn't been clearly acknowledged by the milk industry and hence it is viewed as being discriminatory.

Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin signed into law a bill making attacks on police, and emergency responders a hate crime ( Blue Lives Matter). Civil rights leaders objected stating harsh penalties already exist . Apparently only Black Lives Matter? . Does hae really discriminate?

Do you suppose progressive have figured out that people initially start a business for their economic benefit? Given the push by progressives via labor unions you would believe that these new start ups exist only to serve unions to help grow their membership.

Personal Best Regards:

The greatest years of this country were when the unions were strong. reagan showed the companies how to break the union, now you have people unemployeed and their paychecks so bad they are living paycheck to paycheck. The union's were the check and balance, now you have big business controlling everyhing, even you.

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The greatest years of this country were when the unions were strong. reagan showed the companies how to break the union, now you have people unemployeed and their paychecks so bad they are living paycheck to paycheck. The union's were the check and balance, now you have big business controlling everyhing, even you.

"Everybody" got a more equal share of the profits.

Now the top 25 CEOs make over $20 million a year when you add up all their compensation. Boards of directors are making $ millions. The top is sucking out more than the bottom now.

"The chairman of the House intelligence committee has backed down from his dramatic assertion that Donald Trump and his aides were "monitored," by U.S. spies — a claim the Republicans have cited this week in emails to loyalists."

Nunes Backs Down From Assertion Trump Was Monitored - NBC News


In a very "classy "move.....


On Thursday, the Republican Congressional Campaign Committee sent out an email about Nunes' remarks with the subject line, "Confirmed: Obama Spied on Trump."
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"As for Trump's assertion that Obama wiretapped him, Nunes repeated Friday what he has said previously, telling reporters, "That didn't happen."

Of course, all of those thing you claim to be progressive reasoning are BS, but here is a list of conservative reasoning:

1. Corporations are people with free speech rights under the US Constitution and are legally allowed to spend as much money as they choose to influence the electoral process. (Citizens United)

2. The main objective of Republicans in Congress during a Democratic Presidency is to make sure the Democrat is a one term President, rather than to work together to do something good for the country and it's citizens. (Sen Mitch McConnell)

3. Obamacare must be repealed and replaced because it is a popular Democrat idea and not a Republican one. (Speaker Paul Ryan)

4. We want to start wars at the same time we decrease taxes and then complain about the budget deficit. (President George W. Bush)

5. It's important to elect an immoral, inarticulate, greedy, Russian controlled, compulsive liar to become POTUS, and then defend all of his ridiculous actions simply because he is a Republican. (Donald J. Trump)

6. We only care about our rich donors, so let's give them huge tax cuts that they don't need. Don't worry the middle class sheep will pay the bill because they can be controlled and convinced that the real problems in America are with moronic social issues like which bathroom we are allowed to pee in. (George W. Bush and the American Health Care Act)

7. Anyone who is poor in America is lazy and a drain on society. Cut them off, regardless of their lives, health, children, or future. (Speaker Paul Ryan)

8. If we give money to the rich, they will create jobs and the money will trickle down to the unwashed masses. This shall be known as Trickle Down Economics and we will espouse it regardless of how many decades it has failed. We also think if we have two dogs and give one a weenie, we can count on that dog sharing with the other. (President Ronald Reagan)

9. Continual war is the only way to keep the economy growing. (History)

10. Greed is good! (Gordon Gekko and American Fatcats)

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Now the top 25 CEOs make over $20 million a year when you add up all their compensation. Boards of directors are making $ millions. The top is sucking out more than the bottom now.

Pick one item for sale in Walmart (Target if you are more enlightened than others). Now tell me how you would get that item from the point of manufacture to the shelves of every store in the country. Detail the transportation methods used. Also make note of the federal, state and local laws that have to be followed. Arrange for the hiring of everyone involved, and the acquiring of the infrastructure and vehicles needed to facilitate the transport. Enumerate the methods you would use to ensure that a steady supply of the item is obtained, without having to store excess inventory.
Now tell me why you think it's just as hard to open a box and put that item on a shelf.

Originally Posted by Guest

Of course, all of those thing you claim to be progressive reasoning are BS, but here is a list of conservative reasoning:

1. Corporations are people with free speech rights under the US Constitution and are legally allowed to spend as much money as they choose to influence the electoral process. (Citizens United)

2. The main objective of Republicans in Congress during a Democratic Presidency is to make sure the Democrat is a one term President, rather than to work together to do something good for the country and it's citizens. (Sen Mitch McConnell)

3. Obamacare must be repealed and replaced because it is a popular Democrat idea and not a Republican one. (Speaker Paul Ryan)

4. We want to start wars at the same time we decrease taxes and then complain about the budget deficit. (President George W. Bush)

5. It's important to elect an immoral, inarticulate, greedy, Russian controlled, compulsive liar to become POTUS, and then defend all of his ridiculous actions simply because he is a Republican. (Donald J. Trump)

6. We only care about our rich donors, so let's give them huge tax cuts that they don't need. Don't worry the middle class sheep will pay the bill because they can be controlled and convinced that the real problems in America are with moronic social issues like which bathroom we are allowed to pee in. (George W. Bush and the American Health Care Act)

7. Anyone who is poor in America is lazy and a drain on society. Cut them off, regardless of their lives, health, children, or future. (Speaker Paul Ryan)

8. If we give money to the rich, they will create jobs and the money will trickle down to the unwashed masses. This shall be known as Trickle Down Economics and we will espouse it regardless of how many decades it has failed. We also think if we have two dogs and give one a weenie, we can count on that dog sharing with the other. (President Ronald Reagan)

9. Continual war is the only way to keep the economy growing. (History)

10. Greed is good! (Gordon Gekko and American Fatcats)

counter points.

1. Citizens United has been such a big thorn in progressives side that Obama actually reached out during his State of the Nation and mocked the Supreme Court. Why? Because Citizens United balanced the scales with Unions ability to force their membership not only to vote for the union's choice of candidate, but finance it with union dues.

2. Don't have any problem with the opposition working toward regaining the majority. However, I do have a problem when the opposition utilized the unethical and unsubstantiated attacks and intentional sabotaging be conducted by progressives today.

3. Obamacare was a completely partisan bill passed with the undertone that you had to pass it to see what was in it. Obamacare actuaries knew Obamacare would implode but that was the intent because progressives really wanted and want a single payer plan .

I am pleased that Republicans are having a real legislative debate because we haven't seen real politics at work for many years. Any changes to Obamacare in my view should be incremental.

4. We don't want to start wars we want to prevent wars from escalating. A strong defense has proved to be a deterrent against war. Obama leading from behind has indeed left us behind and we need to let our friends and foes that a new sheriff's in town

5. When Clinton was using the oval office for other than conducting business the progressive mantra was "character doesn't matter."
Obama is one of the most unethical non transparent backstabbing president to have served in the last hundred years. Finally we have Hillary's allegation as to Benghazi, personal e-mail server, Clinton charitable Foundation. Trump's doesn't seem to be creative with the use of cigars.

6. Don't believe me but check the zip codes and you will find the greater percentage of the so called 1% in this nation are Democrats.

7. Conservatives are not adverse to hand ups, and clearly there is a small % of a nation'spopulation that will always need a nation's help. However, one become a little curious when entitlements move from one generation to the next. One becomes curious when the average income considered to be below the poverty level far exceeds the median level of income in other nations.
It should be an moral imperative of this nation to ensure that truly needy people are helped otherwise all we have accomplished is making economic slaves of able bodied people

Will what you say or say what you will but it has been an economic
fact since the forming of this nation that small businesses create growth and growth creates jobs....Obama has been suffocating businesses with regulations, etc . Look at the weak recovery we have had since 2009

9. see my comments in #4

10. Greed. Define greed. Profits are not an evil thing. However, I do have a major concern with corruption. So if greed is driving corruption then and that's what you mean then we agree.

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

counter points.

1. Citizens United has been such a big thorn in progressives side that Obama actually reached out during his State of the Nation and mocked the Supreme Court. Why? Because Citizens United balanced the scales with Unions ability to force their membership not only to vote for the union's choice of candidate, but finance it with union dues.

2. Don't have any problem with the opposition working toward regaining the majority. However, I do have a problem when the opposition utilized the unethical and unsubstantiated attacks and intentional sabotaging be conducted by progressives today.

3. Obamacare was a completely partisan bill passed with the undertone that you had to pass it to see what was in it. Obamacare actuaries knew Obamacare would implode but that was the intent because progressives really wanted and want a single payer plan .

I am pleased that Republicans are having a real legislative debate because we haven't seen real politics at work for many years. Any changes to Obamacare in my view should be incremental.

4. We don't want to start wars we want to prevent wars from escalating. A strong defense has proved to be a deterrent against war. Obama leading from behind has indeed left us behind and we need to let our friends and foes that a new sheriff's in town

5. When Clinton was using the oval office for other than conducting business the progressive mantra was "character doesn't matter."
Obama is one of the most unethical non transparent backstabbing president to have served in the last hundred years. Finally we have Hillary's allegation as to Benghazi, personal e-mail server, Clinton charitable Foundation. Trump's doesn't seem to be creative with the use of cigars.

6. Don't believe me but check the zip codes and you will find the greater percentage of the so called 1% in this nation are Democrats.

7. Conservatives are not adverse to hand ups, and clearly there is a small % of a nation'spopulation that will always need a nation's help. However, one become a little curious when entitlements move from one generation to the next. One becomes curious when the average income considered to be below the poverty level far exceeds the median level of income in other nations.
It should be an moral imperative of this nation to ensure that truly needy people are helped otherwise all we have accomplished is making economic slaves of able bodied people

Will what you say or say what you will but it has been an economic
fact since the forming of this nation that small businesses create growth and growth creates jobs....Obama has been suffocating businesses with regulations, etc . Look at the weak recovery we have had since 2009

9. see my comments in #4

10. Greed. Define greed. Profits are not an evil thing. However, I do have a major concern with corruption. So if greed is driving corruption then and that's what you mean then we agree.

Personal Best Regards:

Have not seen one "anti progressive", "staunch Make America Great Again" express even one single concern about our election process being invaded, about our President making KNOWINGLY FALSE ACCUSATION about Americans as well as our Allies.

Not a word...

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counter points.

1. Citizens United has been such a big thorn in progressives side that Obama actually reached out during his State of the Nation and mocked the Supreme Court. Why? Because Citizens United balanced the scales with Unions ability to force their membership not only to vote for the union's choice of candidate, but finance it with union dues.

2. Don't have any problem with the opposition working toward regaining the majority. However, I do have a problem when the opposition utilized the unethical and unsubstantiated attacks and intentional sabotaging be conducted by progressives today.

3. Obamacare was a completely partisan bill passed with the undertone that you had to pass it to see what was in it. Obamacare actuaries knew Obamacare would implode but that was the intent because progressives really wanted and want a single payer plan .

I am pleased that Republicans are having a real legislative debate because we haven't seen real politics at work for many years. Any changes to Obamacare in my view should be incremental.

4. We don't want to start wars we want to prevent wars from escalating. A strong defense has proved to be a deterrent against war. Obama leading from behind has indeed left us behind and we need to let our friends and foes that a new sheriff's in town

5. When Clinton was using the oval office for other than conducting business the progressive mantra was "character doesn't matter."
Obama is one of the most unethical non transparent backstabbing president to have served in the last hundred years. Finally we have Hillary's allegation as to Benghazi, personal e-mail server, Clinton charitable Foundation. Trump's doesn't seem to be creative with the use of cigars.

6. Don't believe me but check the zip codes and you will find the greater percentage of the so called 1% in this nation are Democrats.

7. Conservatives are not adverse to hand ups, and clearly there is a small % of a nation'spopulation that will always need a nation's help. However, one become a little curious when entitlements move from one generation to the next. One becomes curious when the average income considered to be below the poverty level far exceeds the median level of income in other nations.
It should be an moral imperative of this nation to ensure that truly needy people are helped otherwise all we have accomplished is making economic slaves of able bodied people

Will what you say or say what you will but it has been an economic
fact since the forming of this nation that small businesses create growth and growth creates jobs....Obama has been suffocating businesses with regulations, etc . Look at the weak recovery we have had since 2009

9. see my comments in #4

10. Greed. Define greed. Profits are not an evil thing. However, I do have a major concern with corruption. So if greed is driving corruption then and that's what you mean then we agree.

Personal Best Regards:

Good post, Rubi....