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Old 02-05-2015, 03:04 PM
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I may not have gotten off base as far as the point behind your post. If I made a clear miss, I'm apologize.

For some reason I cannot go to the link you provided. Are you suggesting that the way that the unemployed are counted is somehow different that it has been since they started reporting such things? If so, how are they different? Or, are you suggesting that the whole process has been broken since it was established?

I think we might be in agreement that our growth and worth as a nation is strongly focused on a vibrant and attainable middle class. The numbers don't mean much at all if the majority of employed people are not able to set their goal on becoming part of the middle class.

By the way, today on the news it was announced that there are now 341 (I think in the world) new Billionaires in 2014. Doesn't that make us all warm and fuzzy. I wonder how much smaller the middle class has gotten. The wealth of this nation is strongly gathered in the top 2 percent.

Xavier
Tried to link it again...

The Big Lie: 5.6% Unemployment

It appears to be a systematic problem, not one of current invention, but and this does not apply to just this admin, but it worries me a lot that our leaders, now and in the past, will push what is politically prudent but not in the best interests of our country. Again, this is not restricted to this admin, but to your point on our shrinking middle class, why are we pushing the "good news" and ignoring real issues.


To your other point specifically, there are a number of folks who think that this "shrink" is not really what it appears, ie. What you suggested, but more a shift in the demographics and the measurement used.

"Therefore, isn’t it possible that the “social upheaval” that has taken place over the last decade is really an “upheaval” in the size, composition and characteristics of a typical US “household” and not necessarily an era of reduced economic opportunities and less upward mobility for the middle class? At the very least, in any discussion about the “middle class” and “household income” we have to recognize that an “American household” is a dynamic concept that is constantly evolving and changing over time, and therefore distorts any comparisons between household incomes today to those of a decade or a generation ago."



https://www.aei.org/publication/midd...-demographics/


A number of other studies also point in this direction. Obviously if true this plays havoc with political messages on both sides.

I have said before, we really need to somehow "talk to each other" and identify the problems to solve as it appears the more I read that we are chasing ghosts.

Since you signed yours, I will as well, but think we should both stop as we have been warned not to, and I really want this forum to succeed.

Bucco