We've had a water softener since 1987, but we have occasionally had a problem with the glasses even though we use Jet Dry. I think maybe the liquid detergent may be too harsh. We've had several brands of DWs, but I love my Whirlpool that came with our new house. Best I ever had. We use Jet Dry and Finish Power Balls.
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