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Old 02-14-2015, 04:24 PM
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And what is the alternative to negotiating with Iran? Full blown nuclear war?
No, of course not...what a hyper response.

Negotiate with strength.....make them stick to the dates which they have not done at all or even close. They consistently and constantly still threaten Israel....how about ask them to stop that ? Would that be ok.

Why do you think this country of Iran, who has lied to the world and never kept its word, will honor whatever words that come out of this negotiations.

Nuclear war cannot happen if we insure they do not have the capabilities of ever ever getting a weapon. Nuclear war is possible if we turn a blind eye and actually trust them. They continue...

better said than I...

"Iran is the gravest threat to world peace. It is tricky enough dealing with Vladimir Putins land grabs, and the monsters in Iraq-Syria, but at least the West is more or less agreed on the need to resist. What is most alarming about Iran is that the United States, in the person of President Barack Obama, seems to have lost its nerve to stop Irans final dash to be a nuclear military power, with appalling consequences for the Middle East sooner and later with missiles that could reach the United States. Iran has got where it is, close to a window of a few months for a bomb, by a pattern of defiance and deceit. It signed the non-proliferation treaty but cheated on it. It resumed the enrichment of uranium it had been ordered never to start. Six times it has ignored resolutions of the United Nations Security Council. It has regularly evaded and lied to the International Atomic Energy Agency. Everyone knows one thing about Iranian leaders: smiling or frowning you cant trust them.

It took some time for the Western countries to realize theyd been taken for suckers. When they did, they were more or less obliged to act with force or acquiesce in Irans right to enrich uranium. Acquiesce they did until finally provoked to impose sanctions. They worked. Iran came to the negotiating table but failed to meet a deadline and last November got a reward for its intransigence a seven month extension. And what more could we do to show goodwill? We relax the sanctions that underlay negotiations, having unwisely rejected a congressional vote to tighten them in the face of obduracy. We also give the Iranian theocracy access to $7 billion hard currency they will be able to use for their criminal purposes. Why do that when sanctions were demoralizing the country? Relaxation was a godsend for Irans staggering economy. It was the one pressure we had to force Iran to give up its pursuit of nuclear weapons and we have given it away."


Obama Has Lost His Nerve in the Battle Against a Nuclear Iran - US News

If you know anything at all about Iran, or have followed their path, you know that this country is really the least one you want to turn your back on...in anyway..

"Obama, who has more than once pledged we would do what we must to stop them, is now repositioned to doing what we must to keep them talking while they continue with their nuclear effort.

Since Obama led the 5+1 negotiating countries to the recent agreement in Geneva, nobody is very sure even what the U.S. wants. The president ignored the regions alarm, leading to the strange new relationship between Israel and the Saudi and Gulf governments who are all threatened by Irans growing military force. Why does Obama want a detente with Tehran that risks upending Americas entire stance in the Middle East? His apparent belief in Iranian bona fides is astonishing, for he must recognize that once the matrix of sanctions starts to unravel, it will be hard, maybe impossible, to get it reinstated.

The only thing the Geneva agreement accomplished is to provide Iran with another six months to perfect its nuclear weapons program. In effect the U.S. military option has been taken off the table, leaving the sole burden for eliminating Irans nuclear capability to Israel. A great power should not behave this way, especially after a three-decade-long war that has injured countless and cost thousands of American lives.


Obama seems blind to the consequences of his eagerness to leave a legacy of making peace.

Not only were Irans uranium enrichment capabilities left intact but they have pledged only to freeze production of 3.5 percent enriched uranium for just six months. They are not required to dismantle their centrifuges, now roughly 20,000 including perhaps 5,000 that spin six times faster than the conventional machines. We were told that Iran had pledged to destroy its stock of 90 percent military enriched uranium. In fact, the deal requires Iran only to convert half of this stock to oxide and dilute the other half to only a quarter of its present level of enrichment and both processes are reversible, wrote Conrad Black in the National Review after the deal. Nor will there be the level of inspections that the IAEA insists is necessary."


Allow me to emphsize this part....

"The president ignored the regions alarm, leading to the strange new relationship between Israel and the Saudi and Gulf governments who are all threatened by Irans growing military force. Why does Obama want a detente with Tehran that risks upending Americas entire stance in the Middle East? His apparent belief in Iranian bona fides is astonishing, for he must recognize that once the matrix of sanctions starts to unravel, it will be hard, maybe impossible, to get it reinstated.

I would do a bit of re reading of this countries history and out and out threats, and the entire thing in congress is because Obama wishes not to hur their feelings by having, at the ready, more sanctions. The legislation that he is so opposed to and the legislation he is creating a battle over, specifically says that it is ONLY TO BE USED IF NEGOTIATION FAIL.
 
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