You know, I am very sorry but I feel like this Mak post is making everyone feel like he or she is a victim. Victim of what? I think KathyI had it very right in her post. This IS a site to socialize in and also obtain information from. It so happens that the socializer's and the information givers are the people who make up TOTV. If it wasn't for the circle of many, not few, there would be no successful TOTV at all....Johnny