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Old 03-27-2015, 10:17 AM
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So is it the average meat eating person as in the OP or is it the average meat eating American who consumes too many animals? Is a chart from a vegan website proving we have more vegetarian body characteristics than carnivore characteristics to be trusted as accurate as proof we are meant to be herbivores or does it mean that it is harder to chew and digest plant material for nutrition than to get the nutrition from meats.

Are you aware that the long term data on Seventh Day Adventists show that avoiding beef reduces the risk of fatal heart disease in men but actually increases it in women?
Associations between diet and cancer, ischemic heart disease, and all-cause mortality in non-Hispanic white California Seventh-day Adventists
I have attached the pertinent graph below. This is the long term study of the white California group and the conclusion is important

"It is important to note that vegetarians may have lower disease risk because of their lack of meat consumption, but it is equally possible that this protection could be due to increased consumption of fruits, vegetables, or nuts. Upon multivariate analysis, the latter often appeared to be the case."

In fact the single most important nutritional difference found was a great benefit from eating nuts.

Previous posts on this thread that heart disease stopped in WW2 are wildly overstated. There was a mortality difference of 2 out of a 1000. And the claim of 10 year life expectancy difference for vegetarians is similarly wildly wrong.

http://www.internationaljournalofcar...290-X/abstract from 2014 "Conclusions

Data from observational studies indicates that there is modest cardiovascular benefit, but no clear reduction in overall mortality associated with a vegetarian diet. This evidence of benefit is driven mainly by studies in SDA, whereas the effect of vegetarian diet in other cohorts remains unproven."

There are many many more well done studies in good journals. The evidence at this point is that a lower meat, higher nuts so called Mediterranean diet may be the best for most people. But your individual mileage will vary.
Blue- thanks for the interesting data and your very balanced neutral analysis. You probably didn't mean it this way but your last sentence distills life and your post very succinctly.
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