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Originally Posted by Guest
The communists were professed atheists and secularists, which means they believed life on this earth is all they get. This is significant because, no matter how belligerent they were, they did NOT have a death wish. Hence, when the “correlation of forces” per Marxist dogma finally went against them, they behaved accordingly. This was the genius of Reagan and why we won the Cold War, although most liberals will go to their grave denying that. Reagan’s versions of negotiation, I might also add, was based on “trust but verify” whereas Obama’s seems to be “trust is good enough” especially given that Iran has given us the finger on inspecting their military sites.
By contrast to the Soviet Union, the Iranian leadership is a theocracy (ie something liberals are supposed to be concerned about) that is clearly a Radical Islamist regime. Even you will not deny that. Their brand of Islamic fanaticism has the 12th Imam millenarian twist to it which gets into pretty scary apocalyptic scenarios, especially when nukes are added into the equation. You also don’t understand the difference between the Saudi Sunni based monarchy and Iranian Shia based theocracy which is why you make a false comparison. (the Saudis are the home of Wahhabism true, but since 1945 when FDR met with King Saud, we’ve been able to work with them for the most part, their crazy factions notwithstanding.) The point remains … we cannot reasonably negotiate with Iran. To advocate that path is essentially a mixture of cowardice and, in my opinion, also includes some type of subliminal liberal self hatred factor which has always concerned me.
I also have to note … your comments and mocking tone are more evidence, yet again, of moral equivalence. Most liberals seem to genuinely distrust and dislike their own country, and ascribe it to be in effect no better that our enemies. I’m guessing one of the many reasons you think America is so incorrigibly rotten is that we don’t yet have universal gender neutral bathrooms?
Bottom line: if we allow Iran to get nukes, they WILL use them at some point against homeland USA. Think about it.
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Ok, I have thought about it. Why do you believe that Iran is going to use nuclear weapons against us? The same thing was said about USSR. The same thing was said about North Korea, a far crazier government than anything in Iran, the same was said about Pakistan, a very severe Islamic state, far more so than Iran which is actually very westernized.
Perhaps these countries simply believe as we do that deterrence is the best defense or as it was called MAD. Iran certainly faces a nuclear threat from Israel, a country which has already shown its willingness to strike first when it feels its safety is endangered. If Iran had the bomb, would it be to protect it from Israel or to use it on us. What possible interest would Iran have in using nuclear weapons against the US with the 100% certainty that if they did, in 15 minutes Iran would be a smoldering uninhabitable wasteland for the next century.
It is the starting point of where we cannot reach the same conclusions that we don't start with the same assumptions. I believe that the US is a wonderful but not perfect country. I believe that it has been wrong in many of its international adventures and tends to think it should project its military might to get other countries to cower. I believe that might does not make right, in fact just the opposite. Like Gandhi and King and Mother Teresa, America can achieve its long term goals by showing some humility, by admitting our flaws, by being clear in our objectives for a better world. Sadly you don't understand liberalism at all if you believe what you have typed. And that you would reduce it to gender neutral bathrooms suggests you need to somehow stop thinking about sex all the time. Liberals don't think America is rotten. We do tend to believe that racism is rotten, that sexism is rotten, that homophobia is rotten, that segregation was rotten, that letting children starve is rotten, that denying health care is rotten, that Columbine and Oklahoma City and 911 were all rotten. But no liberal that I know believes that America is rotten and it is very sad that you are so unable to see that. Most liberals I know would not make such conclusions about conservatives.