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Old 06-08-2015, 01:29 PM
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Let us review our history in warfare over the last hundred years:

WWI - Helped to defeat the Wehrmacht, then stood by as they grew into an even greater military power in twenty years.

WWII - Helped defeat the Axis and Japan, then assisted the formation of the Soviet Union followed by forty years of cold war.

Korea - Helped contain the North Koreans who continue to be an unstable and worrisome dictator state.

Vietnam - Lost to Communist North Vietnam at a tremendous cost in lives and money.

Iraq - Beat them in Desert Storm quickly then back to business as usual.

Iraq II - Got rid of the dictator, then stayed way too long at a huge cost in lives and money, leaving the country destabilized.

Afghanistan - Eventually got Bin-Laden but accomplished little else. The Taliban is still strong and we fostered additional hatred among Islamic fundamentalists.

Now you say we need to go to war to fight an enemy that is indistinguishable from the general population, who are more than willing to die to take American lives, and who believe they are ordained by their God to kill infidels. NO THANKS!
Just a few corrections on your recitation of history as you see it.

At the end of WW II, there were two super powers in the world. The U.S. And Russia. The Soviet Union was NOT formed after WW II, but in fact was formed right after the turn of the century (1917?). Added to that existing USSR, was the countries overtaken by Russia during their victories over the Nazi's thus became satellite states. Europe was always considered to stop at Russia, so if those countries that they annexed by defeating Germany are considered by you as the USA helping to form what was already an extremely powerful force, then your interpretation of history is much different from mine. The Warsaw Pact is the actual beginning of the Cold War. There were many differences in culture involved and Russia wanted to maintain sovereignty over these countries, and the USA and allies were trying to insure peace to Europe, thus came the Warsaw Pact.

Not quite as simple as you make it, and this war was the single biggest and most significant event in the world in relationship to what is going on today. Russia was our ally and a darn good one. They deserved to be considered a super power.

The treaties were necessary because of the large differences in societies ( socialism, communism, democracy's)

Korea was a United Nation action in response to an invasion by North Korea. The UN troops pushed N Korea almost into China. A significant landmark relative to the point you are trying to make. President Truman fired Mccarthur because Mccarthur wanted to follow them into China to finish it off. Truman would not allow it, and China eventually pushed the UN troops back, an agreement was struck and had we not stayed there, you can pretty much figure how that would have worked out. Again, not quite as simple as you say.

Vietnam was the U.S. Trying to do something we were not prepared to do and really did not want to do, thus the carnage. Not sure how this would have worked out had we untied our hands.

Iraq....we beat nobody as you say. It was a UN mission that was required to cease by UN mandate once we drove Iraq from Kuwait. We stopped once again, by UN mandate

Second invasion does not need to be revisited. Congress overwhelmingly authorized the invasion, which in hinsight was based on faulty intelligence. We left despite sten warnings and statements by military and political leaders. As far as being not stabilized, President Obama, based on his comments would totally disagree with your comment.

Afghan was simply a failed attempt at avenging the attack in the U.S., and which I might add was supported by NATO

Bottom line is this, Iraq is a very important ally to the U.S. However ISIS got there is really not relevant. They are there and growing into many other countries and need to be stopped.

How to do it, I do not know. Our military make suggestions, but are rebuffed or so it seems. The USA, as you can see has a history of being the worlds policeman. You can argue that all you want, but if our military and security folks NOT OUR POLIICAL BODIES, think they are a potential threat to our country, then I say do whatever it takes.

Problem for me personally, I am not satisfied that those who,"know" are being heeded. I do not think I will ever get over seeing pics and reading accounts if CHILDREN STACKED IN THE STREETS, gassed dead in Syria and we did NOTHING..NADA for a year, and then we had Russia step in to help out, and now they are back with the gassing.

Do we need troops on the ground ? Military folks think so. When you hear that the air missions cannot even do much because of lack of ground support...well.

Again, I keep asking...SIXTY nation coalition. Where, what