Once again, the point is made that no back and forth dialogue can be had on some of these threads. You try to post links as simply examples and posters take them out of context. My point in posting was not to say that I know it all, or to prove this one or that wrong, but to just get people to think about intentions instead of assumptions. It was my mistaken notion that anyone here would want dialogue that may bring understanding. Apparently the only important thing to some is to push their agenda. So go at it - I've got better things to do.