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Old 09-27-2015, 07:13 PM
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I totally respect that you do not care what philosophy is behind the Black Lives Matter Movement.

I do, however, and feel our country is being over run with socialism, communism and marxist ideas.

This movement was started by one Alicia Garza, who is a community organizer and when she began the movement she was acting Special Projects Director for the National Domestic Workers Alliance whose members are nannies, housekeepers, caregivers and other domestic workers.

Her inspiration comes from the Black Liberation Army which was the entity once called the Black Panthers. She is inspired by the words of Assata Shakur who killed a New Jersey State Trooper and is in exile in Cuba, a country who has accepted her and whom she loves and has proclaimed it as "One of the Largest, Most Resistant and Most Courageous Palenques (Maroon Camps) that has ever existed on the Face of this Planet."

She has been involved in extortion, robbery and murder.

This, to me, is not the basis for any kind of positive movement in our country. She has proclaimed for years her hatred for police and of course offers no sympathy for the execution of police officers in our country.

If those words do not give you a chill of fear, then maybe I am the one who is out of touch.

I am a conservative, but not one who wants us to go back to the fifties. Not one who wants anyone of any color to be abused by police. Not one who is blind to many injustices in our country. Not a bigot and not a racist. I actually marched with MLK in Philadelphia during a short visit he made there and believe in my heart of hearts he would be out raged at what is being done in the name of justice.

I do not see any of this as justice. I see it as a marxist take over of our streets and is simply the first step to a war internal in this country,not predicated on seeking justice but predicated on hate and nothing else.

These people do not get my respect in anyway shape or form. You may feel that they are wonderful folks but they are using and fueling hate in this country.

The federal government has investigated any shootings involved and when and if they find reason, there is justice served.

Interesting, if you bother to read a little on this subject that you support so strongly, you will find that the drowning out of the blacks kill blacks cry that many have tried but get drowned out...those people are accurate.

I will leave you a link that I think is simple and clear, although based on your comments, I doubt you will read it, nor will many progressives....

"But Hubbard has plenty of misses. I don't understand why we can't talk about black-on-black crime and police brutality at the same time. Why do we have to treat the two issues separately? It's like saying that if blacks stopped killing blacks tomorrow then police brutality will suddenly stop. We know that's not the case."

James E. Causey - A critic of Black Lives Matter simplifies a complex problem

NO....I will not idolize these people that you idolize. The Democrat party is in the process of being taken over by a socialist, marxist movement. We know they always fail, and we know they always entail bloodshed and killing and we know that countries involved never come back, so NO....I will not idolize these people, not will I be silent about a progressive movement that, in my opinion, has been hijacked by these groups.

I said in an earlier post that I could agree with you on many things.

I take that back. If this kind of movement is supported by you, then we could agree on nothing. We are a country of law and the law works. Let us give voice to the law and the law being administered justly. Lets remember that all the heroes being made by police killings were either criminals in the past or in the commission of a crime.

I am unable to support the people or movement that you support.

These are links to Wiki on some of my comments but more available. I recall in 2008 hearing how the Black Panthers were not good but not to worry, they \have no involvement in Democratic party politics and now I hear how they are in fact supported but with different names.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assata_Shakur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Garza

And I would be curious to hear what you respect about all these groups and what makes them so attractive ?
This is an EXCELLENT post ... you provide the information people need to make a rational judgment about BLM..

An earlier poster asked why all the name calling etc? Well, liberals' professing support for BLM is an excellent example of why most rational people with common sense literally deem liberalism as some type of mentally deficient thinking. It's not name calling but rather clinically correct. If the looniness did not have such a hugely negative impact on the country it could simply be laughed at. No more of that .. it needs to be fought in the realm of ideas and debate. Ridicule is part of that when it fits.

Think about it ... the leader of BLM is a committed revolutionary Marxist. Or call her something more precise but she is literally hostile to the country as currently constituted--which is no doubt one of many reasons she would love to overthrow it by force if she could. I believe Garza's type, throughout history, tend to send their enemies to the gallows, or the guillotine. Many lawless personalities that appear throughout history. Our Founders set up a system of constitutional law for a lot of reaons, one of which is to protect us from people like Garza ever gaining power.

So, while I don't think the earlier poster (self identified as Red) is in anyway a "bad' person but rather no doubt very nice in person, I do think she must be somewhere between naïve or blind to reality such that she can publicly proclaim her support for BLM.

I would really like to hear her (or any other liberal) give us a rationale for supporting a group with the background of BLM. If one is offered, I'm sure it will be an emotionally uplifting call for justice etc, but it will not be one grounded in the reality of our imperfect world. But, I will certainly be wiling to listen to the case.

BLM will not do a d*** thing to help the lot of the average fatherless kid abandoned by the democrat social welfare system in the ghetto, devoid of any Judeo-Christian teachings or disciplines that might enable them to have a successful life.

In short, as but one illustration of the loony liberal mindset, BLM is another liberal "good intentions" nail in the coffin of the average black youth in 21st century America. If you look at the RESULTS, not the good intentions, it's actually racist as h***.