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Old 11-16-2015, 06:41 PM
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I don't believe that the Middle East is a "no win" situation. There are several strategies, most of which are not very popular.
1. Become energy self-sufficient, and quit doing business with them. Then put a moratorium on visas from the Middle East.
2. Bomb them into submission, using nukes if needed. Make them return to their nomad wandering.
3. Threaten a trade embargo on all Middle Eastern countries until they police themselves. Then, sit back and allow them to use WHATEVER means they prefer to bring this to an end. It would be bloody and nasty, but we would stay out of it.
4. Become isolationists and block all business, traffic, visas and visits from the Middle East. Break off all business ties with the Middle East, period. Not good on the economy, but effective.
5. Send massive amounts of troops over to occupy their countries and police the terrorist into extinction. Chance of losing a lot of our military members.
6. Target any city known to sympathize with the enemy and mass bomb it. We could warn all countries of our campaign so that any innocents would be able to leave, if possible.

Some of the above were similar or related. Some could be used together to achieve the goal. War is sickening, but someone has to do it in order to maintain some semblance of peace in the world. Terrorists should not be treated the same as enemy soldiers in respect to conventions. They should receive a quick trial and execution.

To achieve peace, someone may have to fight for it. Sounds like an oxymoron, but it's the truth.
The policies that you are putting forward are too extreme. You are declaring war on hundreds of billions of people. The US oil companies won't let you walk away from so called friendly Arab nations. they have too much invested there. Congress will certainly listen to them.

Being energy independent makes all the sense in the world, but we have to go one step further. We have to be the major supplier of oil/gas to Europe, and maybe Japan. we are getting that much energy from the Middle East. By not buying oil from them will not hurt them. They have plenty of other customers. China is one of them,. We sent a lot of our production to China, because of their cheap labor. We are our worse enemy.

There is no way in hell that we can't destroy ISIS in Syria, and Iraq. Are we talking about 30/40 thousand lunatics in a confined area. The people in this area don't seem to be doing anything about them, but cutting and running. That is not a bad thing. Maybe now our NATO, and Arab allies may now get off their asses, and put together a large force of troops together and attack ISIS. Do what we did in the IRAQ wars. Bomb the hell out of them from the ground and sky for a long period of time, and then send the ground troops in. So worrying about collateral damage.

However, you can't stop small groups of terrorists from attacking us, or other countries. These people are just no damn good. You are not going to stop terrorism.