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We have gone over the duration of the 2008 recession before. Presidents have little affect in getting a country out of a recession. They can't make businesses do what they want. The depth of the recession was far greater than the ones previous. Given the amount of production jobs that have left the country, this will hurt all presidents in dealing with recessions in the future. Cutting Obama some slack on this isn't a stretch.
The problem with our current health insurance market is the more inefficient they are the more money they make. The market is based upon cost plus their margin. The more the treatment cost; the more you make.
When I said Medicare for all, that was misleading. 80/20 isn't going to fly. I was thinking more in the line of 100% insurance with co-pays, and a fixed premiums. If a business wants to pay for its employees, it will be at the same rate as everyone else is charged. People on the individual market, and companies with less than 50 employees are paying the highest rates out there. You are going to have to make allowances for lower income people. Let an insurance company administer the plan, but at a rate set by the government. This is never going to happen. The health insurance companies are screwing over people with their rates always have, and always will. It's the American way. Bitching about them is also the American way. So, we should be happy in our misery.
Concerning Obamacare, health care premiums didn't increase as much as they were increasing. Given the fact that the Republicans have done everything possible to make Obamacare fail, it is surprising that premiums haven't gone through the roof. Anyone, who thinks that opening the health insurance markets across state lines to create more competition and this will reduce health insurance premiums, is living in a dream world. They know what each other is charging. The difference in premiums and coverage is so small, it is hard to tell the difference from one carriers to the next.
Throwing 11 million people out of their coverage is inhumane. If you want to make small changes in Obamacare, go right ahead. I am so cynical, if they just changed the name from Obamacare to Trumpcare, if Trump makes minor changes in the plan, if he gets elected, Republicans would be thrilled. All the Republican states would run to join the plan. The worse thing that the Affordable Care Act has going for it is the person that proposed, and made it the law of the land.
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Apparently, you know little about Obamacare and/or health insurance. I suppose you only listen to what your party tells you and have closed your mind to any other sources of information. I let no politician tell me what they claim is fact. I research it myself. I don't trust any politician. That's why I think you are terribly naive.
Obamacare has nothing or little to do with party ego. It's cr@p and that is fact. You talk about adding insurance to more people. Big deal, you cost us trillions more on our deficit to add a few more to medicaid. None the lies panned out to help us, other than the supposed "per-existing" thing. We certainly paid a lot for that. My co-pays went up 50% for hospital treatment. Premiums went way up. Out of pocket went up over 36%. Mine went from $5000 a year to $11,000 a year. They also cover less procedures. But, you can calibrate a few more on Medicaid. Now, people that do not need insurance MUST have it or pay a fine. That is part of your few that now have insurance. Now, you have adults 26 years old that are under their parents policy, hardly a big deal. If they are working, then they don't need that supposed benefit. Obamacare did nothing to lessen the cost of Malpractice Insurance. It did NOT cover millions that still don't have insurance, as was advertised. It did NOT lower the cost of insurance, as advertised. But, it did steal almost a trillion bucks from Medicare to subsidize it. It also prevented many jobs from being created and some businesses to close because of the added burden on the business owner. So, when you brag about how great it is and how the Dems did it, remember that the Republicans warned you. It's pathetic how you can't admit the disaster that it is.
Your wish for gov run health care is ignorant. You obviously have never lived overseas so that you could witness socialized medicine first hand. I have and there is NOTHING there that I want for us. It really is as bad as your heard, and not as good as you want it to be.