[JohnFromMaine]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Oh get a clue. If you read the whole thread, you'll see a reasonable discussion of pin placement. And you'll also see many who observe the "radical" pin placements also recommend not losing sleep over it. Have fun.

But google USGA pin placement. You'll see what the reasonable discussion is about. And nobody is saying the pros don't play much, much harder holes than we do. Duh! But the pros don't play pin placements like many on the Exec courses either. That's a pure fact. So quit crying about the "cry babies".

Thanks again Polar Bear.

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

Darien, sympathize with your frustration about pin placement but just my own personally opinion, I think pin placement is to make our Executive courses very challenging & they sure are. ... You ought to ask yourself, am I hitting all the greens off the tee & the answer is NO then your not playing from the right tees ...

OB, by "Darien," I assume you mean me.
I don't believe that those who physically move the pins know enough about golf to know how to make the executive courses more challenging and I've had two different starters confirm that.

As to hitting all the greens off the tee, I challenge you to find me a Villager, much less a pro, who hits every single par 3 green from any tee, every time. I just watched the WGC Match Play Championship and many of those guys missed more than one par 3 green during the tournament.

As for the "cry-babies" here, I don't think that there are any. We're just discussing, hopefully in a friendly manner, pin placements that reduce the enjoyment of the game being played by retired folks.

I play for fun (and exercise) and I enjoy a reasonable challenge. I don't overly mind being frustrated by things like my somewhat flawed swing, or my head looking up to see where the ball went even before it's left, or those beyond my control, such as wind. I just would like to see some more reasonable pin placements.