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Originally Posted by Polar Bear

I stand corrected. They are not requirements.
But neither are they "suggestions". The PGA and USGA adhere to the guidelines religiously for major tournaments. Just to pick one...
"An area two to three feet in radius around the hole should be as nearly level as possible and of uniform grade. In no case should holes be located in tricky places, or on sharp slopes where a ball can gather speed. A player above the hole should be able to stop the ball at the hole."
There have been major championships where a pin placement did not adhere to this "suggestion". And in defense of the groundskeepers, it's usually due to unforeseen wind and drying conditions. The pros made no bones about their feelings. And rest assured no future pin placement in that tournament pushed the limits again.
I'm not sure why you're making such a fuss over a discussion of reasonable pin placements. It's obvious there is such a thing as an unreasonable pin placement. It's a no-brainer for most knowledgeable golfers. And nobody I've heard has suggested you ruin your day over one. But you seem to want to insist that pros routinely play pin placements like some of the more radical ones on the Exec courses. That's simply not the case.
Wow, this is the second time this week...I must be getting cranky in my old age  ...but I'm gonna bow out of this thread. It's another thread that's reached that spinning-wheels stage. I don't think there's much new to be said, and obviously (as usual) opinions will not be changed...which is okay of course.
Keep it in the short grass.
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I agree PB. I never in my wildest dreams thought there could so much discussion and opinions about a four inch hole in the ground. I'll keep on putting towards the four inch hole in the ground wherever it may be until I've been put'ed into a 6 foot hole in the ground!