Originally Posted by Guest

First of all, you present your thoughts as if they were facts, when they are really simply your opinion and nothing more. This entire thesis of yours....

"s that the progressives, which is pretty much comprised of elitist whites, minority and women believed they had within their grasp control of this nation. They rightly believed Obama would provide and support this movement, and he did in every way imaginable . And that Obama was going to hand that same baton to Hillary. However something happened on the way to the forum and that has jolted progressives into a reality that they can't get their minds around.

I reject as false and simply what you preach, BUT that does not make it fact. You are so generalizing all of this subject. You speak of an anti white movement, not anything else as if any thought process was contained in such a movement. I cannot recall since the 60's any movement by those you denigrate that was not based in a factual event that they felt was a personal affront. I have never seen any of the current movements about police, etc speak to whites in general, and CERTAINLY not in anyway as is spoken on this forum relative to anti blacks.

So since we start with a completely different viewpoint and your facts are not my facts, or as I submit, NOBODYS facts we are stymied with the old position of ........depends on what side you are on, but I am not going to try even to change your "facts"...they are not but you will not change your thoughts. I have opposed most of the Obama administration, especially the foreign policy, BUT to say that Obama pursued a racial agenda or anything close, to me,. is ludicrious

You continually point out progressives for their "yelling racist when the issue of race is raised." I can make a strong case using your own words. At the top of the list you "did not plagerize" to start the thread was "Today if I am born white it automatically makes me a racist." as if that were a fact. See that is how you feel for some reason. I have never felt that way in my life, neighbors even of blacks mistreated who have been on the streets demonstrating do not feel that way, but I submit that you feel that way, to you that is a fact. It is NOT

You lay ALL the blame and even suggest that the first step is up to progressives. i submit this is not an issue to be laid at the feet of any ONE SINGLE unit of people and identyfying one unit makes the situation worse not better.

YES.....progressives, liberals, Democrats have used the black population for years. Trust me, THAT is the reason I left the democratic party, but today ....the right, Republicans, conservatives bow down to groups as well (NRA is just one)

You want to blame progressives and absolve conservatives, then you cannot be a party to the solution, because your mind is made up. On here, one thing that a poster really hates is quotas. i do also, but see the reason for them...hell, I was there watching the reason happening. What happened in the past 50 years or so since them.....BOTH liberals and conservatives identified blacks as a voting block and not a group of americans who need fair opportunity.

Simple I know, but I am not that smart and that is how I see it. There is NO political solution and looking for one is a futile task and simply makes it worse. I am not wise enough to know the answer...it has to come from all of our hearts. You blame a political movement....that political movement blames the opposite (and frankly, with good reason....see birther, etc)