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Originally Posted by Guest
First, if you've read all of the posts in this thread you'll see that several people have been bringing up the fallacy that President Trump has ties to Russia.
The national security advisor was not a foreign agent. He did some work for a Turkish/American businessman and because there may have ben a hint of impropriety, he resigned.
As to the countries included in the ban, the list was compiled by the Obama administration as countries that posed a danger to the US.
The fact that the courts have looked at President Trump's words during the election and did not make a ruling based strictly on the contents of the order and the law is precisely what is wrong with the ruling and the reason that it will eventually get over turned.
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Again one at a time...
1. If you are using TOTV posts to substantiate your claim you are TERRIBLY misguided. That is like saying "ALL Democrats are..." or "all liberals ate..". Since I have referenced your point, allow me to speak for myself and my memory of posts on here.
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NEVER ever one time said anything other than he has FINANCIAL TIES of major proportions to Russia. THAT is a fact. The investigation on Russia involvement surely has/will touch on that, and again, that investigation is about Russia insolvent and attempt to interfere in a US election. Does his refusal to share income tax info add to that...yes, because as you know, US lenders have for years refused to lend him money, and should he be deeply indebted to ANY foreign country, his tax statement would reveal that.
The National Security Advisor was in the process of registering as a lobbyist for a foreign interest, AND was fired for lying to the Vice President about phone calls between he and Russia.
A number (in excess of 6) of Trump team members had close, not casual, but very close ties not only to Russia, but to Putin
With all of that, I would think you would be happy that the USA intelligence might look into that while investigating KNOWN verifiable attempts at interfering in our election.
2. As far as the countries on the banned list, yes they came from a list of countries compiled by the Obama administration as dangerous places to visit, and in addition they added a few more steps to our vetting. The ban did not include the countries from which most terror has come from...Saudi Arabia and Turkey as two examples. Initially our President said these were countries that Obama identified for banning, then he said they were the worst terror countries. In any case, there was a list, but misrepresented by Trump.
3. I do not think the fact that what a President says has consequences has sunk in to him or you. We are supposed to heed and trust every word the President says, and he needs to learn that. The judges, and I agree it will probably be overruled, but they are saying to Trump...you made it extremely clear what your intent was....that counts.
Listen, today he continues to embarrass our country (I refer to while standing by Merkel, he actually told a German reporter that they should go to Fox News about his claim of British involvement in wiretapping because Judge Napoltano said it) with his words and accusations that he gets from websites and people on Fox he likes. He is the President....he can validate anything he wishes at any time.
Point is....if he didn't spend time making false SERIOUS claims, imagine we might be talking about health care or the budget. You cannot as President simply make things up....you must act like a grown up and govern. Campaign has been over.
His words are what is screwing up any conversations to get anything done.