See, here is the deal, CUPCAKE.

I enjoy a lively discussion with folks disagreeing with me. THAT is educational and actually fun, where you really can learn and understand.

HOWEVER, what I do not or will not accept are simple minded "cliches" or total untruths.

When I get a response that seems logical, EVEN if a disagreement, I investigate it before responding. If I find, as in almost all the cases on here, it is simply not true, made up or a out and out lie (I would add opinion pieces fron proven fake news, I might simply call that to the attention of the poster.

If it's true, but I disagree, different story. Then I examine my position, see if the other position has something I should ask about, I will then, with great respect, make my case and from there both of us learn a bit.

What you and others do is a few things....post a campaign wuote from Trump, which is always easy to disprove, post an accusation from Trump, which thus far has proven to be 100% false, or some bland loyalty to Trump which is easy to thrust aside.

But see, your post is just wise ass remarks with no reasoning.

The person to whom I responded to is a troll. Never on subject, always talking in wise ass remarks.

What is disappointing is I have seen posts from you that had some substance...posts about national debt, budget, etc. All worthy of discussion, but alas, you have joined in those who only read the Russian websites, spot off about Clinton or Obama ( I suppose all know they hold no office and are not a good substitute when confronted with another admin mix up)

I know we have no basements, but Dirtbikers posts remind of those guys with thick glasses in the basement...sorry for such a high brow analogy