I am not one who will tell a person who risked his or her life to serve this nation that they did anything wrong when the only thing they were doing was placing their faith and trust in the nation and the people in control of it at the time. With that said, the reason that they 'held on' for so long is because they were defending their home against an unjustified foreign invader that wanted to defend a form of government that the majority of poor citizens (which was the 'majority') did not support. I thought it was now common consensus that we were in the wrong in that war.

I pose one question for you. If china invaded the United States with troops on the ground, how long would you fight, or how much would you have to lose before 'you' gave up. You bet your but that they would have to kill me before I would stop defending this nation. I wonder why pro-US expansion people think that non-Americans are so different. Even when the Soviet Union ended, did people all of a sudden create new nations? No, they went back to their former national identities. The only way Israelis are able to live in Palestine is to force the Palestinian people into the corners of Palestine. The entire problem we have in the Middle East is a result from Europe going into the Ottoman Empire after WWI and imposing artificial borders that did not respect tribal borders.

If you wanted to win in Vietnam, or if you want to win in Iraq, there is only one way to do it, and a good history lesson in the US on the way we won against the Native Americans spells it out. When the first European stepped foot on this soil, there were more people living here than there was living in Europe. We were able to eliminate (some on purpose, many from diseases that traveled coast to coast decades before we did) 95% of them. The remaining few were herded into wastelands that were called reservations or sent to prisons in Florida. Humans have a natural desire for self determination and though it can sometimes take a little time, they will NOT be ruled by occupiers. We would have had to kill everyone in Vietnam to win that war.

I would like to point out one last thing about whiners. There are a few really famous ones that I think ought to always be mentioned: George Read, Caesar Rodney, Thomas McKean, George Clymer, Benjamin Franklin, Robert Morris, John Morton, Benjamin Rush, George Ross, James Smith, James Wilson, George Taylor, John Adams, Samuel Adams, John Hancock, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry, Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton, Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery, Lewis Morris, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, William Floyd, Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton, Richard Henry Lee, Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Jefferson, George Wythe, Thomas Nelson, Jr., William Hooper, John Penn, Joseph Hewes, Edward Rutledge, Arthur Middleton, Thomas Lynch, Jr., Thomas Heyward, Jr., Abraham Clark, John Hart, Francis Hopkinson, Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Samuel Huntington, Roger Sherman, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott, Charles Carroll, Samuel Chase, Thomas Stone, and William Paca.

But, I guess that we would have been far better off if these 'liberal thinkers' didn't have the nerve and audacity to whine about their government. It would have been better if they would have been good little boys and supported their government in everything that they did. Isn't the conservative motto, "My country, right or wrong." Yeah, I am glad that some people in this nation know how to think for themselves instead of listening to drug addicted talk radio hosts.