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Poster: the subject matter is Trump's call for an investigation into voter fraud which I will respond to again.
However I will tell you that Christ Christie has never impressed me. He was my last choice in the GOP primary.
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As a response to the previous posting regarding Governors, this was appropriate.
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As to the issue of voter fraud. Its quite well known that progressive position on voting is that any requirement for identification is viewed as discriminatory. An out of date and specious argument.
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As to your broad brush of excuses, there are many reasons that "requirement for identification" has been problematic.
The first problem with "voter identification" is the perceived problem: voter fraud.
Voter ID laws are a cumbersome solution in desperate search of a problem.
There are many variations of The Voter-Fraud Myth, but the most common claims hinge on the idea that our electoral systems are vulnerable to manipulation and subversion by large cabals of devious fraudsters bent on perverting the democratic process, and that the only way to combat the unseen legions of ineligible voters casting fraudulent ballots in our elections is to demand additional documentation from each voter in order to verify their identity and legitimacy.
Unfortunately, voter impersonation, which is literally the only form of Electoral fraud that is effectively mitigated or prevented by voter ID laws, also happens to be the single rarest and least effective form of election fraud in existence. For example in Texas, a state which recently adopted some of the most stringent voter ID laws in the country, state officials were hard-pressed to produce even a handful of instances of suspected voter fraud--over the previous decade. An analysis by News21, a national investigative reporting project, identified 10 voter impersonation cases out of 2,068 alleged election fraud cases since 2000 — or one out of every 15 million prospective voters.
In contrast, other forms of electoral fraud--such as tampering with ballots, manipulating Absentee ballots, stuffing ballot boxes, or electronic hacking of voting machines--are much easier, more effective, and more potentially damaging.
Which leads us to the "solution" of a mythologic problem of impersonation voter fraud.
Voting law opponents (NOT NECESSARILY ALL PROGRESSIVES) contend these laws disproportionately affect elderly, minority and low-income groups. While many states with strict laws offer a free state ID for people without any other way to vote, these IDs require documents like a birth certificate that can cost up to $25 in some places. According to a study from NYU’s Brennan Center, 11 percent of voting-age citizens lack necessary photo ID while many people in rural areas have trouble accessing ID offices.
A lawsuit filed against Alabama in early December 2015 cites the example of a high schooler who can’t vote because she lacks a driver’s license. According to the suit, she needs to get a state issued voter ID at the DMV, but the one nearest to her is only open one day per month and there’s no public transportation to another DMV 40 miles away roundtrip.
There are many elderly (and some not so elderly) that have no birth certificate for various reasons. This has disenfranchised many previous voters because now, according to THEIR state laws, they must have a government issued ID. Most of THOSE states require a birth certificate, but if you were born outside of a hospital that was able to certify your birth, the certificate was lost or destroyed, or that person, for a multitude of valid reasons could not obtain a copy of that birth certificate, they would be unable to obtain that ID.
Some states have made it VERY difficult for people to actually obtain a governmental ID because their facilities that issue those ID's are hard to get to. During closing arguments in a 2012 case over Texas’s voter ID law, a lawyer for the state brushed aside geographical obstacles as the “reality to life of choosing to live in that part of Texas.”
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In our nation today people are required to produce a drivers license and/or other forms of identification. In fact at the renewal of a Florida drivers license residents now have to produce a number of documents ( including a passport) in order to have their license renewed.
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Ever "live" in a Nursing Home and don't drive?
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Because of the lacks requirements for voting and because fake documentation can be purchased by illegal aliens for some $300 and because people intent on criminal acts are so creative this nation does need to review each state's record regulation procedures, etc.
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I assume you have factual evidence to prove it......not just anecdotal which ANYONE can make up.
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I cannot imagine a single American citizens who would object to ensuring the integrity of our voting system given its importance and the fact that we are privileged to be given a vote.
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There really has NEVER been an objection to the integrity of our voting system until RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVES started making up this problem.
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Progressive leaders are dismissing this issue out of hand and it makes them all look guilty of hiding the truth.
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Legal experts have investigated this situation and have concluded that this issue is not a problem. Why, then, without ACTUAL verifiable FACTS does the myth persist? Mainly because of people, like this poster, who constantly regurgitate these lies......it has been said that if you tell a lie often enough, many will regard it as the truth.
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Personal Best Regards:
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