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Originally Posted by Guest
I quoted Canada...you quoted Canada at the same price...so which is it? Retail or wholesale? Do you propose to take over ALL of healthcare with government provided doctors? Government owned clinics and hospitals? Government owned pharma?
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You mixed COST of medical care (in Canada) versus Premium cost(in USA) in your first post. The COST (doctor charges, hospital charges, prescription charges) is pretty much determined by the "market" in that particular area. So, a similar condition in one part of the country costs different than in another part of the country. See:
Medical Costs Vary Wildly Around The Country : Shots - Health News : NPR
Most other countries have STANDARDIZED tests and procedures, and they have also negotiated drug costs, so their COSTS are lower than the charges in the US. Most western countries have as good or better outcomes as well. See:
21 graphs that show America’s health-care prices are ludicrous - The Washington Post
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Originally Posted by Guest
I don't know boyer...you want to cut the cost by 1 1/2 X, is the quality of doctors going to go down by that much as well? It's already dropped a LOT due to lowered standards and quotas for minorities.
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Most doctors will get the "standardized" payment for their services (just like Medicare now) and I would like to see verifiable facts regarding your claim that the quality of doctors has dropped a LOT due to lowered standards and quotas for minorities. That sounds like just a racist bigot rant.
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Originally Posted by Guest
It's "illegal" for medicare to haggle prices because the people who run our government really work for the pharm companies. So of course the prices are set.
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Actually, the prices are NOT set, the pharm companies have the ability to charge and/or increase the prices on any and all of their medications.....recent examples are the EPI-pen, and many others:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthew.../#30d9cba871f5
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/20/the-d...ort-shows.html
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Originally Posted by Guest
That $14,000 a year just covers the $ million you'll used in healthcare before you die. ANY lowering MUST be met with reduced costs. Reduced payments to hospitals, doctors, nurses...
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If you reduce the $14,000 by taking it out of insurance companies' hands, their expenses incurred in advertising, administration, CEO enormous salaries, dividends to stockholders, makes the REAL COST closer to the $6000/person/year that it has been estimated for people in the USA.
By paying the $6,000 through taxation, because of the graduated tax structure of the US, some people will automatically pay less because of their incomes, while others will pay more, but the savings is real.
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Originally Posted by Guest
It IS an economic issue...too many who don't/can't pay for "their share" getting it for free from those who DO/can pay. To carry the "non-working poor, you must DOUBLE or TRIPLE the payments by those who work to closer to $35,000 a year. It's borrowed right now to pay for the poors coverage.
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You are correct that it is an economic issue, but your analysis of the non-working poor, is in error. Non-working poor would use Medicaid which is separate....