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Originally Posted by Guest
We are seeing a new phase in the violent confrontations between political extremists.
Legitimate "Freedom of Speech" rallies are being infiltrated by groups of people who not only accept violence, but also seek it. As the press has reported in Charlottesville, the demonstrators were seen getting off of buses wearing helmets and body armor, and carrying weapons. They sought battle.
When the issues involve Black grievances, the legitimate groups find their ranks swelled by members of the anti-police group Black Lives Matter, an outgrowth of the violence of the Ferguson, Missouri, riots.
On the issue of preservation of Confederate artifacts, concerned guardians of history find themselves joined by uninvited White Supremacists, Nazis, and many in Ku Klux Klan regalia.
Over a long career in law enforcement, federal and local, I have been involved in surveillance, investigating, confronting, and interviewing these people. It has been my experience that many of these White people base their grievances on perceived inequities of affirmative action programs, but there have been notable cases where I have seen the fiery gleam of a madman in the eyes of the person being interviewed. You can see this same thing in photos of Charles Manson.
What I found most disturbing, and even frightening, was the images of the torchlit parade in Charlottesville last night that was hauntingly reminiscent of the marches of Hitler's Nazis in 1930s Germany.
We have seen KKK members parading around on the fringes of demonstrations in their ludicrous regalia for decades, waving the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia (erroneously called the Confederate Flag, or the Stars and Bars.) We have seen neo-Nazis striving to get some press attention while wearing reproductions of Hitler's Brown Shirt uniforms and waving flags with swastikas.
But, a mass torchlight parade, in the style of 1930s Nazis, as we saw last night is something new, and must not be tolerated. I am horrified at how this movement seems to be catching on, and is attracting young people.
Carl in Tampa
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My limited experience is in Tampa and environs speaking to and trying to understand folks in the street. Most had grievances, legit or not.
This group that so many in this forum make excuses for are simply filled with hate. Their only grievance is that everyone does not have their skin color.
This is from their website today speaking of the woman who was killed...
"Despite feigned outrage by the media, most people are glad she is dead, as she is the definition of uselessness. A 32-year-old woman without children is a burden on society and has no value.
Due to female privilege, and the fact that they do virtually nothing their entire lives, women live an average of 5 years longer than men. The average female lifespan is 81 years. That means for 49 more years, this fat slob would have been leeching off of men’s work."
Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut – Daily Stormer
Carl, you can lump all groups together should that make you feel better, you can say that torch light is an issue. These people had Nazi flags, chanted "we won, get over it", have proclaimed the President of the United States of America the "God emperor of the United States", killed a woman on purpose, celebrated that death, and if you do visit that website where the quote was, you will find other rage about the Police officers killed.
The young person driving told his mother he was going to a Trump rally. While checking the Daily Stormer website, I noticed that many if the most popular denigrating words used for anyone who opposes Trump are used quite often.
During the campaign, i and others "worried" about the rhetoric at thevTrump campaigns, and you mentioned 1930 rallies, did not the sight of our President leading young boys from the Boy Scouts chanting love for him, and hate for Clinton bring all that back.
I am shocked at the posters on here rationalizing this and making excuses. I am tired and saddened that our President is given a free pass.
A President is elected to lead, not lie and lead the hate. I am tired of those who need to find some words, saying the media is not reporting with supreme accuracy. If you speak of commentators opinions, what do you expect when commenting on a White House that has made no effort to unite, AND IN TOTAL FACT, made significant efforts to divide.
You use words well. You criticize others for understanding your little message. You speak of "guardians of history" who had their say when state lawmakers decided to place this statue in a museum. I honestly don't know what to believe about what you are saying. I detest these rallies in general from any cause. I do listen as to why the rally to determine the issue. These people, who you "seem" to equate to other groups are not the same. They are clear in their message. It is hate, no "affirmative action, no "police brutality". ....nothing but hate, and I am disappointed at you and other posters dancing around....NO LECTURE from you please....MY interpretation is "dancing around" and finding some justification for this (history, past rallies over the years, etc.) to find a way to simply call it what it is.
I, actually, and hopefully am correct as nightfall arrives, at restraint shown by those who oppose storm troopers in brown shirts with ZERO grievance, armed to the teeth, chanting hate.
We will see if the political rhetoric from our elected President changes. I suspect it will not. This is a man who spent THREE HOURS attacking news commentators just a few weeks ago because he was criticized. This weekend has been a revelation, not unexpected, but while most of the hard right folks on here find any reason to continue to support hate from our WH, I have given up. If he is accomplishing what you want.....troops in Venzuela was a shocker, and Carl...no lectures...I know what is going in in Venzuela and need no lectures. I simply believe words have consequences...especially from the President through the world, and one of the results of preaching hate and chants is what we saw this weekend, and they promise they are just starting.
There was NO confrontation between political extremists this weekend, and torchlight marches will stop when the rhetoric filled with accusations, never founded stops.