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Originally Posted by Guest
Mentioning BLM and Affirmative Action was not intended as a distraction, but rather, to explain possible motivations of White extremist demonstrators. Understanding motivation can be a step towards changing perceptions, and then actions, of demonstrators.
It was certainly not intended as a justification. But it is much too simplistic to simply say that the demonstrators are "solely racists. Period." They got that way somehow. They weren't born as racists. They received instruction; they had certain experiences. If we can understand their motivation, perhaps we can change attitudes.
For example, the practice of Affirmative Action is not nearly as pervasive as it was a few decades ago. Perhaps the demonstrators do not realize this, and education of the facts might modify their actions.
I began this thread to express my concern about seeing the mass torchlight demonstration that was reminiscent of Hitler's Brown Shirt marches in 1930s Germany. I never expected to see such a demonstration in the United States.
I also hoped to see some responses that offered thoughts on how to counter the apparent increase in neo-Nazi participation in our country. I have been disappointed.
So far, the thread has been effectively hijacked by a dialogue between Don Baldwin, who posts statistics and opinions that express a frank opinion regarding the difference in intellectual achievement between the races, and Chi-Town whose constant mantra is that those who express opinions contrary to his are racist. This generates much heat, but no light, as it is simply an argument, with no solutions suggested.
Beyond that, of course is the sniping of the TDS Troll, whose posts I disregard as irrational and inconsequential.
Does anyone have any thoughts on how to de-escalate and avoid conflicts between groups such as we have seen in Charlottesville this week?
Carl in Tampa
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First, let me agree with your concern. It is a VERY REAL CONCERN, but not a new one. These folks have been lurking around for years, posting hate....hell, David Duke has been around for a long long time. This is not a new movement.
Next, this movement which uses nazi propaganda and language and symbols pre dates any affirmative action and I think referring to that is making up excuses for these people. As you noted in your OP, it is like the 1930's which had no affirmative action, nor Black Lives Matter,, and what upset me ON THIS FORUM mostly was trying to make it about that. This movement has been in the shadows for many years and predate all the movements you can bring up.
Did you you note that I posted from their website, or one of them and wRiting 24 hours what they said about the girl killed.
NOT ONE PERSON THAT I SAW EVEN EXPRESSED SHOCK OR DISMAY AT THAT That means all those who visit here and read it could care less and they live among us.
NO....equating this long standing movement with anything you can bring up is just not even reasonable.
Why cannot you and others take these people for what they say. They are filled with hate for certain groups...they now feel emboldened by Trump. Now you and others can call of us for having the syndrome which is total and complete silliness. This kind of thing was predicted early on if he was elected. This is not a syndrome. You mention experiences.....consider....
"Forty-four years ago, the Trump family's real estate company was accused by a Republican-run U.S. Justice Department of discriminating against blacks. The company settled.
Twenty-eight years ago, Trump publicly called for capital punishment after five black youths were charged with a crime of which they were later cleared. "Maybe hate is what we need if we're going to get something done," he told a television interviewer.
Six years ago, Trump sought to discredit the legitimacy of America's first black president. He spread the fabricated suggestion that President Barack Obama was born abroad and not, in fact, American.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/13/char...-come-out.html
Donald Trump did not invent this hate....he is nor was the sole cause, but he certainly emboldened it. His entire campaign resembled the marches etc of the nazi movement in the 1930's. Chants of hate included.
What I am saying to all you Trump supporters is this.
WORDS HAVE CONSEQUENCES especially when they are the words of the United States President. Add to that, the social media and quickness of travel of statements and especially when it is said so publicly for ALL countries of the world to hear it.
This emboldened this group; they have been very clear. He has even been reluctant to criticize them just in a general sense.
From that link I already gave...
"But in 2016, white Americans with racial and religious grievances heard a signal. A post-election Democracy Fund study identified Trump's most important group of supporters as voters with a strong sense of identity as white Christians and negative feelings toward immigration, blacks and Muslims.
With words and actions, Trump has gratified them as president. He made Stephen Bannon, who called the Breitbart news site he ran a "platform for the alt-right,"
I think it is not only 100% wrong to equate what you guys are trying to do to this movement, it is simply working with your heads in the ground.
These folks have been around WELL BEFORE any of the movements you guys say might be a motivation. Yes, experience does dictate hate etc., but not what you guys want to do with making it political.
You can call me having any syndrome you want, I have my eyes wide open here......I know this mans history.....he is repeating it but from inside the oval office.