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Originally Posted by Guest
First, let me agree with your concern. It is a VERY REAL CONCERN, but not a new one. These folks have been lurking around for years, posting hate....hell, David Duke has been around for a long long time. This is not a new movement.
Next, this movement which uses nazi propaganda and language and symbols pre dates any affirmative action and I think referring to that is making up excuses for these people. As you noted in your OP, it is like the 1930's which had no affirmative action, nor Black Lives Matter,, and what upset me ON THIS FORUM mostly was trying to make it about that. This movement has been in the shadows for many years and predate all the movements you can bring up.
Did you you note that I posted from their website, or one of them and wRiting 24 hours what they said about the girl killed. NOT ONE PERSON THAT I SAW EVEN EXPRESSED SHOCK OR DISMAY AT THAT That means all those who visit here and read it could care less and they live among us.
NO....equating this long standing movement with anything you can bring up is just not even reasonable.
Why cannot you and others take these people for what they say. They are filled with hate for certain groups...they now feel emboldened by Trump. Now you and others can call of us for having the syndrome which is total and complete silliness. This kind of thing was predicted early on if he was elected. This is not a syndrome. You mention experiences.....consider....
"Forty-four years ago, the Trump family's real estate company was accused by a Republican-run U.S. Justice Department of discriminating against blacks. The company settled.
Twenty-eight years ago, Trump publicly called for capital punishment after five black youths were charged with a crime of which they were later cleared. "Maybe hate is what we need if we're going to get something done," he told a television interviewer.
Six years ago, Trump sought to discredit the legitimacy of America's first black president. He spread the fabricated suggestion that President Barack Obama was born abroad and not, in fact, American.
Charlottesville: GOP 'disgust' for Trump more likely to come out
Donald Trump did not invent this hate....he is nor was the sole cause, but he certainly emboldened it. His entire campaign resembled the marches etc of the nazi movement in the 1930's. Chants of hate included.
What I am saying to all you Trump supporters is this. WORDS HAVE CONSEQUENCES especially when they are the words of the United States President. Add to that, the social media and quickness of travel of statements and especially when it is said so publicly for ALL countries of the world to hear it.
This emboldened this group; they have been very clear. He has even been reluctant to criticize them just in a general sense.
From that link I already gave...
"But in 2016, white Americans with racial and religious grievances heard a signal. A post-election Democracy Fund study identified Trump's most important group of supporters as voters with a strong sense of identity as white Christians and negative feelings toward immigration, blacks and Muslims.
With words and actions, Trump has gratified them as president. He made Stephen Bannon, who called the Breitbart news site he ran a "platform for the alt-right,"
I think it is not only 100% wrong to equate what you guys are trying to do to this movement, it is simply working with your heads in the ground.
These folks have been around WELL BEFORE any of the movements you guys say might be a motivation. Yes, experience does dictate hate etc., but not what you guys want to do with making it political.
You can call me having any syndrome you want, I have my eyes wide open here......I know this mans history.....he is repeating it but from inside the oval office. |
Alas, again I see a list of grievances with no suggestion about how to de-escalate the conflict between opposing groups of demonstrators.
Here is a fallacy in your reasoning. You state that "this movement which uses nazi propaganda and language and symbols pre dates any affirmative action and I think referring to that is making up excuses for these people."
What you ignore is that these people were not
born neo-Nazis. They were
attracted to the movement for some reason. I am suggesting that we explore what this reason may be, and see if we can do anything to modify their attitudes.
As I said in another post, I have personally interviewed neo-Nazis, usually in their own homes. In some I could discern that their attraction to the movement was economically based because they felt they were impoverished due to Affirmative Action depriving them of the jobs they felt they were entitled to.
However, in the eyes of others I saw the gleam of madness such as can be seen in photos of Charles Manson. These true believers were regarded as dangerous, and we checked up on them regularly.
I suspect, but cannot say for sure, that in recent years attention has been diverted from the neo-Nazis to the threat of Islamic terrorists. In addition, of course, the flood of illegal aliens whose presence in our country was facilitated by President Obama, has diverted the attention of many law enforcement officers.
But, again, people join movements not because the movements have been around for years, but because something in the message of the movement resonates with their education or experience. If we can learn why they joined a movement, perhaps we can modify their attitudes.
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Carl in Tampa