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Originally Posted by Guest
I will address the three points that I have highlighted in yellow.
1. OF COURSE the point of the counter-demonstration is to suppress Free Speech. The counter-demonstrators use the threat of violence, and actual violence, to break up the group they are demonstrating against.
2. The organizers of the rally distanced themselves from the White Supremacist groups. Note that the niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. appeared on TV before the rally in support of the rally. She is not a White Supremacist.
Having said that, if some event (not this one) was the most virulent, disgusting, White Supremacist rally to ever be seen, it is still protected by the First Amendment. They still have the right to speak under the provisions of the First Amendment as decided by the Supreme Court. The Court has said that the First Amendment’s tradition of “protect[ing] the freedom to express ‘the thought that we hate’ ” includes the right to express even “discriminatory” viewpoints.
No "counter-demonstration" should be allowed to prevent the Free Speech of another group with a different viewpoint. That's why the Police show up.
3. You make a grave mistake when you equate my support of the First Amendment with support of White Nationalism. Actually, I know that you know better. You are just trying to make me angry by insulting me.
As in other cases, I wonder if you would be equally rude if you were speaking to me in person, or are you capable of exchanging ideas without sinking in the mire of personal insults?
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Carl in Tampa
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I take great pride in not being rude, UNLESS responding to such.
My response to you was to simply put into context, what in my opinion was a misleading post, criticizing one group of people without investigating or posting any information on a group that by its own words is in support of white nationalism and who was a large part of Charlottesville.
How do you select what group is demonstrating against free speech ?
You seem, to me, to have made that judgement quite quickly.
Yes, and I did no accuse you if one thing relative to white nationalism, except to point out that this forum is easily 80% white nationalists.
I have been around for quite some time Carl....I am not a novice, I know the buzz words, notice as you and Rubicon discuss "identity politics" that is a favorite among the white nationalist groups. Not aimed at you, but please don't lecture me; you are not the only poster on here.
I rely on accurate information, not implication. I support my points of view with facts, not innuendo. Your OP was extremely misleading, and I took exception. So, that's it...alll the slights you think you see may not have been aimed at you after all.
Again, I am not a novice. I KNOW what white nationalist say, and what they do not say. Our President today labeled a group as "anti police agitators" and that is another buzz phrase, as you
SHOULD know. That was uncalled for, and frankly I am concerned about this movement that closely mirrors naziism.
As you can read in most posts where someone finally discusses real issues, I endorse American working together, without labels.
On here there is too much labeling and attacking.
This isn't my first rodeo in politics, and I have watched the deterioration of what used to be a respected calling. IN MY OPINION...the current occupant of the Oval Office is a disgrace to our country and the morals that enabled our growth. He is becoming more and more every day a divider...he has yet to make one effort to unite this country. And please, blaming the left is ludicrious..,they are doing nothing and are not organized enough if they wanted.
The latest fiasco (not one person on this forum, nor anyone in the administration has yet to condemn the words used to describe a dead woman from Charlottesville) where we now seem to feel it is fine and dandy to wear brown shirts, wave Nazi flags, shout nazi hate slogans, and I still have in my memory, those little boys being led in a cheers celebrating Trump by Trump. This is not aimed at you, but does not leave my mind. The atrocities of WW2 should never leave our mind
I love this country; I have served this country in a number of ways; I have been privileged to meet many great leaders, and to me we are on such a backslide it scares me.
Oh, your buddy or please..
perceived buddy, Rubicon will come on here in the morning and proclaim that all the ills of the world are to be laid at the feet of millions of Americans..,he has already shared that the election if Trump was too late, and from my perspective hearing stuff like that is damn scary.
And don't give me the Clinton/OBama stuff. I don't care because whatever you think, there is NO EXCUSE..ZERO EXCUSE for having a President lie chronically and to attack everyone who might disagree. Attacking someone else cannot be support for lying. There is a difference between supporting someone and giving up standards because you didn't like his opponent (and I sure don't or did support Clinton)
Sorry for the lecture...I am big on truth, context and discussion. Bottom line, I just did not think your OP was honest, not in context and misleading as to intent. Same way I feel about Trumps tweet..,no reason for that.