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Originally Posted by Guest
cologal
1. While you make some valid points doing nothing time after time when these events occur is no longer acceptable.
2. When the founding fathers wrote the 2nd Amendment they used muskets with gunpowder and balls. Now we have semi-automatic weapons, high capacity clips and high power scopes which allow a gunman to fire round after round at unarmed innocent people.
3. How many rounds did they find? How can one person be allowed to purchase that many rounds? Who knew about Bump Stocks? Are automatic weapons supposed to outlawed? Then why can someone buy something to turn his semi-automatic gun into an automatic gun?
4, We could start with Bump Stocks, or limit the amount of ammo you buy or own.
5. In my hometown Colorado Springs we had 2 domestic terrorist attacks in a month. One was reported to 911 before the attack as a resident saw a man brandishing a long gun but Colorado is an open carry state now. So 3 people in Colorado Springs are dead now, 4 if you count the shooter!
6. I noticed that no one has mentioned that the Orangeman just rescinded Obama gun checks for the mentally ill! Are you kidding me?
7. It is time to stand-up to the gun lobby especially the NRA...just where was the good guy with a gun to stop this terrorist attack or the 2 in Colorado Springs?
COPUFF...
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I have taken the liberty of numbering your paragraphs to make it clear which area of your post I am responding to with each of my points.
1. Thank you for acknowledging that the points in my earlier post were valid. I strive for accuracy. Your reaction to the recent shooting, that we must "do something" is a common
emotional response, but it ignores the
fact that there is virtually no law that you can propose which would have stopped the shooting.
If you have such a law in mind, please post it.
2. The level of firearms technology at the time of adoption of the Second Amendment is not relevant to the conversation unless you are proposing that we should be limited to possession of firearms of that era. Surely you know the courts and the legislature would never permit that.
3. There is a lot contained in paragraph three. First, it is immaterial how many cartridges were found at the scene. A person could make small purchases over a period of several years in order to build up a large supply.
Who knew about bump stocks? Well, several million Americans did. They are gun hobbyists, gunsmiths, police officers, gun show attendees, and just about anyone who has seen them demonstrated on youtube videos.
Obama's Bureau of ATF also knew about them, and ruled that attaching them to rifles to make them fire at a rate approaching the rate of full automatic rifles, was LEGAL.
No, fully automatic weapons are
not outlawed.
They never have been. They are, however, very heavily regulated. Background checks on people who apply to purchase a Class III (automatic) firearm are extensive; storage rules for keeping them are stringent; the cost of the weapons is quite high; and there is a $200 tax stamp that must be purchased from the government before the sale is final.
4. There has been a call for an outright ban of bump stocks. This seems extreme since fully automatic weapons are not banned, and they only mimic those weapons. The NRA has called for bump stocks to be "regulated as a Class III item, just as fully automatic weapons are regulated."
How would you limit the amount of ammunition that an individual owns? You might limit the amount of ammunition that can be made in an over the counter purchase, but purchases can be made and ammo accumulated over several years.
5. Your point 5 is a bit vague. I'm not sure whether or not you blame the shooting on Colorado being an open carry state. If so, I don't see the relevance.
6.
This point is nonsense. Trump
did not "rescind Obama gun checks for the mentally ill." Obama's Social Security Administration unilaterally, without Congressional approval, declared that retired people receiving Social Security benefits, who had designated a surrogate to deal with Social Security regarding their financial issues, were ineligible to own firearms.
Congress passed a bill, and President Trump signed it into law, forbidding Social Security from their illegal violation of the Second Amendment.
7. I take your remark in #7 as a challenge to the saying that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun, which is true.
Actually, it is quite commonplace that when an active shooter is confronted by the police, or other armed obstacle to his shooting,
he usually takes his own life. That happened in this case. But, interestingly, it wasn't even a "good guy with a gun," it was just a "good guy."
The police in Las Vegas report that when an unarmed security guard approached the suite where the bad guy was located, the bad guy fired through the door, striking the security guard in the leg, and there was no further gunfire from the suite........ever. It is conjectured that the bad guy took his own life at that point.
I don't know about your Colorado Springs shootings, but if they were stopped by having the bad guy shot, the odds are that it was done by a good guy, either a civilian or a cop.
Now. Again.
What law would you propose that would have prevented the shooting in Las Vegas?
Carl in Tampa
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