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Old 11-25-2017, 10:03 PM
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Contrast liberalism today and compare it with liberalism at the time of the founding of this nation and you would discover a juxtaposition in many of today's liberal ideas and beliefs.
WHY? we don't compare ancient history with recent history so why now? A poor attempt at misdirection from the current maladies which the administration is the focus.

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Liberalism back then meant a belief in minimal government. Liberals sought only a wise and frugal government and a government that left citizens free to regulate their own destiny. Liberals believed in the magnanimous view of human nature as was reflected in the Declaration of Independence They believed the differences of men rest with the issue of "nurture" vis a vis "nature" and hence a priority was education.

Liberals back then believed in an optimistic and confident future for the New Republic. And they believed that America was the chosen nation and the world's best hope and hence had a special role in fulfilling is future.

Quite a contrast from today's liberal party where its favorite president viewed American exceptionalism no greater than any other nation.

You give definitions of "Liberals" that you make up on your own, unless you can provide footnotes (those nasty little things that support your thesis that also need to be verified by credible sources....something you know nothing about.

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Liberalism today that demands equal outcomes vis a vis freedom to pursue one's own destiny
Actual Liberalism: Its opposition to censorship and state economic controls is based on the same principle of freedom. Liberalism, as the name implies, is the fundamental belief in a political ideal where individuals are free to pursue their own goals, in their own ways, provided they do not infringe on the equal liberty of others.



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Liberalism today that favors and nourishes big and intrusive government
At the end of the Reagan Revolution, government was bigger. Since the Contract With America, it has grown exponentially. What some have finally realized is that both parties want the power that comes with bigger and more intrusive government, but the Republican party espouses small unobtrusive government, but has produced just the opposite.

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Liberalism today that demands people's lives be dictated by government regulations and policy.
OK, just where did you get this notion? out of your ass? show some intellectual credence and give some credible footnotes that substantiate your simplistic statement. Oh, by the way, make sure you enjoy your food that has been inspected, the prescription drugs you take that have been regulated, the jet that you travel in because of the FAA, your interstate road system, your police and fire and EMS, your TV and radio shows, the water you drink, and the air you breathe (at least during the Obama administration), your military, just to name a few of the things we take for granted that are "regulated" and that demand that people's lives be controlled by the government.

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Liberalism today that believes citizens and non citizens alike are entitled to live off the government.
Actually, no. only those who qualify.....probably leaves you out, jealous much?

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Liberalism today that supports and encourages acts of non-patriotism (NFL)
Actually, the support of the Constitution is what true Americans want, and the 1st Amendment guarantees that people have the right to protest. That IS patriotic. Diverting that constitutional right is not only NON-PATRIOTIC, but also illegal by those in office who have SWORN to uphold the CONSTITUTION.

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Liberalism that applause's acts of treason (Snowden) and desertion (Bergdahl) in the face of enemy.
Oh, what about WikiLeaks and Trump saying he "loves Wikileaks" and what about the mounting evidence of the Trump campaign colluding with Russia during the presidential campaign? Americans applaud our justice system, and how it decides to punish/acquit those who are charged. Evidently you don't like our justice system.

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Liberalism that defends and protects criminal behavior (illegal immigration Sanctuary cities)
Sure we do, just like Reagan circumvented Congress by arming the Contras with weapons paid for by illegal drug sales.....like Nixon lied about Watergate.....over the past 7 presidencies, GOP administrations still have 29 times more indictments, 64 times more convictions, and 24 times more prison sentences. Comparing presidential administrations by arrests and convictions: A warning for Trump appointees

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Personal Best Regards:
More like Personal Lying Regards.....