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Old 12-30-2017, 08:37 PM
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It's NOT a comparison...it's apples to oranges...since when did we add the sun? We are SO far from the original premise. Heating water is comparable to driving an electric car via batteries?

You said batteries can take over for oil...can replace fuel. I said they can't.

So...prove it.

Get me the TOTAL cost...in ENERGY...to build a battery...energy used charging it...and compare that to it's total energy output over it's life.

It won't be CLOSE to the amount of energy used to create it. It's energy negative...there is negative EREI (energy return for energy invested). It takes more energy to make your battery than it will ever produce. So WHY "switch"? You're going to use more energy than you gain.

A barrel of oil contains the equivalent of 8 "man years" of "energy", of "work". One man working continuously, no breaks, no days off, 24/7, for 8 years in ONE barrel of oil.

How much is in your battery? REMEMBER...EVERY CHARGE has energy costs. You say: "I can use the sun to charge the battery...it's free...solar is free".

Au contraire...you MUST factor in the ENERGY COST of your solar charger. The sun's energy is HARDLY free. Solar panels take a lot of energy to mine, refine, manufacture, the electronics need fabrication plants. Copper needs mining, can't use plastic for anything...it's made of oil.

A barrel of oil is $60...a barrel of diesel is $125. How much are your batteries?

Batteries are NOT going to REPLACE fuels.

Oh...another thing...the power grid. It can't handle adding 250 million electric cars. You DO know WHY they want us to conserve electricity? Why everything is "Energy star"? Because there's NOT ENOUGH to go around during peak demands. How do you handle road trips? Everyone can't charge at night.
If you want to bring in cost to my arguments google powerwall/Australia. People are putting unsubsidized solar panels with battery back up. Why Australia and not here. Cost is a relative term. Their electricity costs 21/2 times as much as ours (heavily coal dependent). These systems are not price competitive here today but will be in the future. I'm sorry it's hard to explain science in a short paragraph.