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Originally Posted by Guest
I didn't say tomorrow renewable would be price competitive but I did give you one country where it is price competitive. You clearly don't understand the science and I'm ok with that as long as you don't try to make scientific arguments. Gas displaced coal and wind and solar are displacing gas in certain parts of the country, all based on price. If you want cheaper electricity prices long term you should push renewables because as a new technology it will drop in price as the industry matures. If you want to give more money to the Koch brothers go for gas and oil. Those websites your reading are supported by the Koch brothers.
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I understand completely...
"all based on price" but NOT EROEI.
HOW did we get BACK to this???
We were talking about BATTERIES...YOU claim that batteries are more energy efficient than fuel.
PROVE THAT CLAIM...not "in the future"...not "maybe some day".
You said batteries WILL replace fuels because they're more energy efficient. Show me.
If you can't/won't talk about batteries and their energy cost vs energy output...we have nothing else to say...you keep dragging me out onto tangents that have nothing to do with your claim.
Yes...Australia has solar and batteries out in the bush where electric hookups are prohibitive...now...WHAT does that have to do with batteries being more energy efficient than fuels in cars?
Get a handle on the ADD...and focus.
Get the EROEI for a battery and oil...compare them...oil wins...batteries...ALL batteries...lose...because they can NEVER be as efficient as oil...because they MUST BE MANUFACTURED and oil flows out of the ground.
A barrel of oil is a barrel of free energy...a battery MUST be manufactured USING energy and MUST then be FILLED with MORE energy than it will be able to deliver. Can't you see that?
They're pushing us towards alternative energy NOT because it'll EVER replace the energy of fossil fuels...but because WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF READILY PUMP-ABLE OIL. we must SAVE...hold onto...our precious oil. It's too valuable to burn up. Almost EVERYTHING is made with oil. Plastics, chemicals...
I'm done doug...if you don't see it now...you won't with me explaining it.
It's a con to steal your money...steal your labor...it's what they do. Working Americans work until May 24th to pay the government. We've given them $20 trillion so far...what have we gotten for it? America has dropped from # 1 to #25.
MOST "crises" aren't really...they're just sold as one to get the IGNORANT public behind it.
The earth IS warming...IF you believe the numbers...(ask people in ND right now if there's global warming)...but it's NOT CO2 doing it. CO2 contributes less than 1% to the greenhouse effect. That's science I DO know too.