Originally Posted by Guest

You're stuck on MONEY...money cost. Money cost has NOTHING to do with how much ENERGY it cost because right now "energy" is almost free. Transportation via fuels, electricity generation via fuels...oil and natural gas are ALMOST free energy. That is WHY your batteries are "cheap" because the energy used to make/charge them is cheap.

BUT...the point you don't get is...energy IS cheap because it's "fossil" fuels...energy sitting in the ground...waiting to be lit. It only costs $3 a gallon because speculators decided it was worth $3 a gallon...it's also $3 a gallon because there are 9 billion people ALL wanting some of it. Oil COULD be 30 cents a gallon.

But your batteries...they MUST be built...from scratch...EVERYTHING going into you battery NEEDS energy to be made. And THEN it needs MORE energy to charge...more than you'll EVER get out.

STOP thinking in terms of dollars...START thinking in terms of energy consumed and energy output.

A barrel of oil RELEASES 5X more energy than is required to "make" that barrel. A Lithium battery CONSUMES 32X MORE energy to manufacture and charge than is will release during use. The MORE times you use your battery the WORSE the costs become because each recharge uses more energy than the battery can release.

Your batteries are ONLY possible because there is almost unlimited CHEAP fossil fuels to create the energy required to create the battery.

You are talking "dollars", I'm talking about actual "energy" Oil is a better "value" in energy terms. Dollar values are arbitrary and capricious. Dollar values change...energy requirements/output are fairly fixed.