Originally Posted by Guest

Yea right...bring it on bad boy. You're a poseur.

"Dollar values change...energy requirements/output are fairly fixed."

You have a problem with that? You can go down to the La Brea tar pits and find the FREE energy USED to build things...like your batteries. I could heat a house for decades...I could use it for steam power...there are ALL kinds of uses for that oil...just sitting there...waiting to be scooped out.

Where's your battery?

We have to wait for the lithium to be mined and processed into metal...VERY energy costly. Then other items need to be manufactured...again ENERGY costly. It all has to be put together in a factory somewhere...more ENERGY.

My barrel of oil cost me the energy to fill a barrel...100 calories? I will get 8 man years of energy...of work...from it.

Is your battery ready yet? How much energy have you spent so far?

You WILL get 32X LESS energy OUT of a lithium battery than you put in.

BECAUSE: "energy requirements/output are fairly fixed"

ALL batteries are energy SINKS...they consume FAR more...32X more...energy than they create. That energy comes from fossil fuels.

NO "alternative energy source" is "self sufficient". Only oil is self sufficient because it's "saved sun energy". Meaning it can CREATE more energy than was used to get the outputted energy. More energy goes into a nuclear plant, a solar plant, wind farm than will EVER come out of it.

It's a scam.

Oil is 8 man years in a barrel. Solar, wind, and BATTERIES...ALL...require MUCH more energy to build than they'll ever produce. We CAN build them ONLY because we have OIL to provide the vast energy needed. It takes 32 barrels of oil to make a lithium battery that outputs the energy in ONE barrel of oil.

Take away oil and you take away modern western civilization.