John, if a person is telling you he or she does not care about being civil then in my eyes they do no belong in a forum where everyone else does. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. Better yet I'll pass in mine. Personally, this forum has changed so much since I became a member, it's just not the same. If trying to be civil stymies someones freedom of speech, I don't belong here. I'm sorry Mucci.