[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

I totally agree.

The question though, is how do we counteract the money, power and influence the NRA wields with the politicians...since they are adamantly opposed to ANY new gun laws?......

Well let's see, under current law

In addition to requiring firearm dealers, manufacturers, and importers to initiate a background check on any non-licensee to whom they intend to transfer a firearm, and prohibiting the possession of firearms by nine categories of prohibited persons under federal law. While a person may advertise a firearm on the internet:

Federal law prohibits transferring a firearm to anyone known or believed to be prohibited from possessing firearms. (18 USC992(d))
Federal law prohibits a non-licensee from acquiring a handgun outside his state of residence and prohibits a non-licensee from acquiring a rifle or shotgun from a non-licensee outside his state of residence. (18 USC 992(a)(3))
Federal law prohibits anyone from transferring a handgun to a non-licensee who resides in another state (with rare exceptions), and prohibits a non-licensee from transferring any firearm to a non-licensee who resides in another state. (18 USC 922(a)(5))
Federal law prohibits the acquisition of a firearm on behalf of a person who is prohibited from possessing firearms. (18 USC 922(h) and 922(a)(6))
Federal law prohibits anyone from providing a handgun to a juvenile (person under age 18), and prohibits juveniles from possessing handguns, with limited exceptions. (18 USC 922(x))
Federal law also prohibits dealers from selling rifles or shotguns to persons under age 18. (18 USC 922(b)(1))

Originally Posted by Kenswing

I'm just curious. What new gun laws would you propose? I'm pretty sure if someone is willing to break the law against killing people, which is the most basic law of all, they're not likely to follow any new gun law that anyone can think up.

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Well, on what gun laws could help...let's start with a really easy one.

Are bumpstocks illegal on a federal level yet?

Why not?

I think we all know why.

Hmmmm......The President has called for a ban on bumpstocks as reported by CNN (link here)

The NRA has called on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to immediately review if these devices comply with federal law (linked here) and if additional regulation is needed.

Perhaps it is because as a nation of laws, it does take time. Perhaps if the legislation was written to cover bumpstocks specifically and not try to overreach by including other gun parts, types of guns, then the legislation might go through sooner. The more complex that a legislation is, the longer it will take to pass. And yes, there should be opposition to overreaching laws meant to "back door" their way around ANY constitutional amendment.

But I am not sure as to the why you are referencing, so please provide your facts and links.

Also, please explain how Chicago, with the most restrictive guns laws in the country, still has a high hand gun homicide rate. If it doesn't work in Chicago, how would more gun laws work anywhere else?

It's for the exact same reason that someone talked big about... "others are afraid of the NRA, but I'm not."

That is until they had a lunch date with the NRA...then nothing but crickets.

And you have specific knowledge of this? You know this for a fact?

And how about we start holding those parents who have made easy access to guns...accountable also?

Now this is an extremely valid point. Another active thread about cars being left unlocked and guns being stolen from those cars-those gun owners should also be held accountable.

As for one of the big reasons regarding "why" it has become more prevalent.. that was addressed in the other thread also.

Santa Fe High School student claims students and coaches '''emotionally bullied''' suspected shooter

But since bullying is condoned, little action taken, loud voices saying "you just need to put your big boy pants on and take it, since it never harmed me" and actually perpetuated by our national leaders...fat chance that will work either.

Please, please provide a link to support your reference that the national leaders perpetuate the bullying. The most that I can find is a posting by Dan Zimmerman "Putting His Big Boy Pants On – Quote of the Day" in reference to David Hogg. Make sure that you read the actual open letter (link here) by Jack Kerwick to which Zimmerman is referencing before making any leaps there.

Originally Posted by Kenswing

We need to figure out why kids feel the answer to their problems is killing other kids. In my opinion the guy that posted in the other thread about technology and the social disconnect of a good part of this generation is a leading contributor.

There have been guns around for as long as we have been a nation. It's just in modern times that we've seen the widespread mass killings. And this one wasn't even with an "assault" rifle. It was with weapons that are about as low tech as you can get.

We need to get to the root problem. Why do kids resort to mass killings as a form of conflict resolution?

Good question.