OK benj, I'll give it one last shot. I thought the point of the thread was to express ideas or thoughts about the healthcare system. To somehow steer this to slamming liberals and talking about fascists, totalitarians and any number of other inflammatory remarks really robs any chance of intelligent exchange about healthcare. Heck, I'm not even considered a liberal by people I know on both sides of that fence.
The fact is we spend TONS of money in the most innefficient delivery of healthcare of almost any advanced country....with the exception interestingly enough of the V.A. system which excels in many areas both fiscal and regarding patient care. If we are wasting all of this money on all of this free care you seem to think we bandy about, why not restructure what we have/do into a more efficient system? How exploring that notion and its' alternatives ends up bringing some conservative or liberal diatribe that really addresses nothing about the problem is beyond me. You guys have commandeered the thread and I happily leave it too you.
If anyone else wants to talk about some of the specific problems in health care I would love to hear from you.

take care all