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Originally Posted by anothersteve
The 12 people were shot BEFORE the police got there, what does that tell you? And at this point it's not even known until the autopsy is completed if the shooter took his own life or was killed by a cops fire.
Steve
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"Four officers entered the building after the call of shots fired was made to police shortly after 4 p.m., Friday. Police Chief Jim Cervera said that the officers arrived within minutes after the first call to dispatch, and were able to find the suspect after hearing gunfire. They then engaged in a long-term gun battle with the suspect, the chief said."
Police engaged in ‘long-term gun battle’ during Virginia Beach fatal mass shooting | WTKR.com
So, its not clear how many were killed and when, nor how much was related to getting into a gun battle.
Make no mistake....I am for security and perhaps this is an answer.
My entire point was that on this forum we are talking MACHO television stuff as if that were the real world, and the discussion is among those who can easily speak so mach as they will
never
be in the situation and oh man is that easy to talk about.
How many lives would have been saved if a) the officers came early or b) came later or c) never faced gunfire from officers which was returned
I dont know....you dont know....hopefully once the investigation is over, we all know.
Just jumping to gunfight mode seems wrong to me, especially when young children are involved. My wife taught elementary school for over 30 years, albeit in a different time, but I would suggest resigning if she worked for a school district allowed this to occur.
If you have been in combat, you know that your reaction is
much much different than you imagined it would be. Having a teacher to confront an armed person, hell bent on killing everyone including himself and without knowledge of his weaponary is a scary thought, to me anyway