Maybe I can put this particularly ugly thread to rest as Fumar, SteveZ and Bucco are talking about me.

Bucco, I think you truly love politics. Much more than I do. Yes, I do, at times, give "cutesy" remarks. I don't know how something like "This ship has sailed." is such a problem, but if my remarks offended you, I wholeheartedly apologize. You are a much more serious debater then I am.

SteveZ, I also think you truly love politics. We have never been on the same page, but I thought that was alright in this country. I thought that's what this country was all about. The freedom to exchange ideas, the freedom to comment. It might not be in the style you'd comment, but it's still my right.

Fumar, PERHAPS I'D BETTER TYPE THIS IN CAPS BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU THINK YOU CAN GET YOUR POINT ACROSS. Yet, I don't know what your point is? You've left many people baffled here. Was it your point to put me down personally ? Were you angry at something else and I was an easy target? Honestly, I don't think you had a point.

Johnny asked "who you were all talking about?" And no one answered. So I will. They were all talking about me. But, no one had the courage to say it.

So rant on and pretend this is all about me. Let's pretend it's not about who won or lost. Let's pretend none of it is sour grapes. I won't respond again. The floor is yours. And, yes, I would say everything I comment on, Face to Face.