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Originally Posted by ithos

Mail in voting is legal in FL. It just requires an application.No reason needed. Not sure why you believe people of color are not as capable as others and as such warrants the need for mass mailing of ballots. But hey, if virtue signaling gives you a sense of purpose in life, I'll leave it be.

As far as elections go, the standard should not be an wait until an election is stolen and can be proven beyond any doubt. Since every vote should be considered sacrosanct, the goal should be not one will be negated by corruption or fraud.

And considering that voter rolls across this country are bloated with the dead, illegals, wrong addresses and folks that have moved on, it should require no explanation that mass mail balloting would significantly increase the chances of illegal voting. Especially if you have paid agents to harvest as many ballots as they can.

The evidence of mail in voter fraud is all over the internet. Making it mandatory for everyone is about as stupid as stupid gets. Unless of course you are looking to throw an election.

“absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.” 2005 Commission on Federal Election Reform , co chaired by Jimmy Carter

Debbie Wasserman Schulz Says Mail In Ballots Are Dangerous Former DNC Chair Says Mail In Ballots Are Dangerous - YouTube

Mismanaged voter rolls leave counties open for voter fraud Mismanaged voter rolls leave counties open for voter fraud, advocacy group finds - South Florida Sun Sentinel - South Florida Sun-Sentinel

" In 2016, more mail ballots were misdirected to wrong addresses or unaccounted for than the number of votes separating Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. She led by 2.9 million votes, yet 6.5 million ballots were misdirected or unaccounted for by the states."

The Wisconsin Election Commission’s report on the Spring Election found that the morning after Election Day, a United States Postal Service official reported that workers “had located ‘three tubs’ of absentee ballots
https://elections.wi.gov/sites/elect...g%20Report.pdf

Officials Plead Guilty in New York Voter Fraud Case Officials Plead Guilty in New York Voter Fraud Case | Fox News

And this just the tip of the iceberg. If there is to be unrestricted mail in voting then it should be requested each election and without any influence from shady ballot harvesters.

The highlighted portion in your post above (if it's "all over" the internet, it must be true) made me laugh out loud...so thanx for that.

Since Post #5 pretty much says it the way I see it, I'll post it...so it saves me a lot of work.

Originally Posted by GoPacers

Let's be clear, mail-in voting is not the problem. There is nothing wrong with the concept. Never has been and never will be. The issue is verifying/validating that any given voter is authorized to vote and is who they say they are. If Congress (and the states) would take that issue seriously then we would not be talking about mail-in voting at all.

Talking about voter fraud: what system have we ever had that hasn't been decried for the potential for voter fraud? I'll admit there are elections that have been impacted due to voter fraud over the years but those are very few. In many, but not all, of those cases the votes were coerced yet legally cast.

In this whole debate we've lost sight of the facts which seems to be all too prevalent lately. When we don't have facts to support our position we make stuff up that can't be easily proven/disproven. When we have data but that data doesn't support our position we obfuscate the issue such that data becomes irrelevant and we appeal to emotions to supersede logic.

Those that have the legal right to vote should be allowed to vote by any means available. We should not be making it hard for anyone to vote as a means to influence elections. What we should be focusing on is using the vast array of technology available to us to ensure those who vote are entitled to vote and that their vote is in fact theirs. The reason we are not doing this is it removes an excuse for the losing side to obfuscate the facts and create uncertainty. This has not changed since the earliest days of elections in this great country. Bad actors have been trying to influence the will of the people through nefarious means since day one.

The simple fact that we are debating mail-in voting says the politicians have succeeded in planting seeds of doubt in the process without ever producing one single piece of data to prove that mail-in voting is the issue.