And I enjoy it no end when there's an exchange of ideas, opinions, and fact patterns, especially when it provides the reason for the opinion. We all see things differently, and that's why eye-witnesses to an event can be the most unreliable in decribing what really happened.

Open discussion hss changed my opinion several times when additional facts and how they correlate mesh with what I already know, and my thanks to those willing to take the time to articulate their knowledge.

I must admit to my own biases, no matter how I try to temper them. Elitism bugs me no end, especially when it results in abuse of the law and harm to others with no justice provided.

So, as we go through this spirited exchange, A TOAST! This one's for the nation - where we CAN discuss oopenly, no dark corners and no whispers. (clink)