[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

I even started this thread, to bring much of what you say to light.

Police Unions (poke here)

Your point about management often being lazy...is also dead on.

I managed more than a dozen non-union supervisors, of whom some became mad at me...because I wouldn't back their emotional/knee-jerk termination of someone.

When I brought the supervisor in to discuss, they would usually start talking about all of the things that the employee had done previously...which SHOULD/COULD have justified their termination.

The only problem?

The supervisor had been too lazy, to properly document all of the incidents and thereby create a 'trail' of progressive discipline...which was required by the CBA before termination.

And yet, they wanted to blame me...for not standing by their decision(s)?

To be honest, on the flip side, some of the actions my supervisors made or the actions they took...actually showed why a union was needed.

Of course, they didn't enjoy the same protection, when I had no choice but to discipline them.

I think that both rookie soldiers and Police should come from a pool formed by a nationwide draft. Then psychological tests, then physical tests. Then a model like Denmark that trains rookies for 3 years. Then sent to a permanent base or precinct or base. Then be there for 4 years. After which they can choose to go to a location of their choice. Or separate. Or finish their 20 years in the peace corps or other Federal or state programs, like wildlife officers. Details could vary but the idea is to have CITIZEN solders or Police, NOT, definitely NOT, MILITIA that are too "gung ho", bloodthirsty and might turn on either the elected government or just individual citizen that they do not like.