[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by blueash

We agree on that. I just sadly doubt that he walks the walk about turning in bad cops. And I believe he has underestimated the number of bad cops.

I read two recent reports on the NYC police misconduct board which suggest an extremely lenient system

NYPD Discipline Review Panel Found Dozens of Cops Deserved More Serious Punishment - THE CITY

My Family Saw a Police Car Hit a Kid on Halloween. Then I Learned How NYPD Impunity Works. — ProPublica

I think that second link, to propublica is especially worth reading.

Originally Posted by blueash

If no one turns in the bad apples, then you're all bad apples.

While I believe law enforcement officers DO NEED reasonable laws protecting them from constantly facing lawsuits or discipline for piddly or unwarranted complaints, I also believe that the pendulum has swung so far to the side of "Qualified Immunity"...too many think they are invulnerable and should be above the law.

Given so many cases where prosecutors don't even bother to prosecute bad cops for obvious excessive force/abuse, because the deck is stacked so high against them, or when they do prosecute and the bad cops get off...why wouldn't a sense of invincibility be so prevalent?

Let's find a way that good cops can turn in the bad ones and strong actions can be taken by prosecutors against them...instead of the ones reporting being turned into pariahs or worse.

It's obvious that the police unions and peer pressure are so strong and influential, that even the vast majority of outstanding law enforcement officers...are reluctant to speak up.

There IS a reasonable middle ground.