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Originally Posted by GoodLife

Current trends where? There are many places in the world where deaths and new cases are dropping to almost zero with no new surge like Florida. Look at this chart showing deaths per million of New York State and Sweden. New York locked down on March 17, recommended facemasks in early April. Sweden did neither of these. But both places show a rapid rise to a peak and then the numbers start dropping, heading towards zero. Neither Sweden or New York State is showing a huge surge in new cases like Florida. Only conclusion one can make is NY and Sweden have reached a herd immunity threshold, while Florida has not.

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Many scientists like Michael Levitt, Nobel Prize winner at Stanford, have studied the data from all over the world and conclude that HIT is less than 30%. This does not mean 30% of population must be confirmed positive by tests. It's estimated that there are 10 times as many untested asymptomatic cases as there are confirmed positives.

Now many studies are showing an even greater number of people who have T cell immunity from previous exposure to other coronaviruses like common cold. Here is a new study from Oxford.

News report:

Coronavirus: Levels of herd immunity in UK may already be high enough to prevent second wave, study suggests | The Independent

Actual study:

The impact of host resistance on cumulative mortality and the threshold of herd immunity for SARS-CoV-2 | medRxiv

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...294v1.full.pdf

Based on these studies, I predict Florida's surge of new cases will start to fall by the end of this month. It's too bad that the percent positive numbers on Florida's website are inaccurate due to the reporting all positives problem, as that could serve as a good indicator. I could be wrong, but if that actually happens, I will remind you that I predicted this at the beginning of July.

The whole herd idea is wrong and bizarro! It takes 60% positive cases to achieve "herd immunity". Florida has 14% today positive cases today. (St Pete has 9% because they went to masks). Sweden's overall deaths are 11 times neighboring Norway. Only 25% of Swedes in Stockholm have been exposed. They ADMIT that their "herd immunity" attempt did not work. Just Google that! But, all the charts in the world are not as significant as the fact that the US is #1 in the world for mishandling the CV Plague. We should only have about 60,000 deaths today. The US is currently # 5 in world ranking for deaths (and rising due to rising case). I don't understand the effort to misinform the Villiage people by poo - pooing the problem - what is the motivation for that? To kill as many Village people as possible?