[vilger]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Everybody wants something for nothing. "Oh but.....over in THAT country they have........" and it is free from the government. BS! Nothing is free. Try living in Europe as a middle income earner. Our lower class citizens live as well if not better than the "middle class" in other countries. The reason their middle class lives a lower lifestyle is because they pay half their earnings in some form of gov taxes. Sure, the old do OK and the low income folks do OK, but how about everyone else? The hard workers that produce end up paying the way for everyone else. Is that FAIR?
That is exactly what is going to happen here if we get gov run health care.
The President has promised that he will not allow "pre-existing" conditions to preclude anyone from obtaining reasonable healthcare insurance. As far as I can see, whether we like him or not, he has lived up to or is still attempting to succeed at all his campaign promises. I won't go further down that path or end up violating the politics rule on here. However, that is exactly what the subject of the OP is all about, so it has gone this far without being shut down.
That said, you have two choices. You can pay your own way, if you can. Or, you can allow the gov GIVE you a lower quality health care insurance, along with a lower quality standard of living when they make EVERYONE sacrifice 50%+ of their earnings. It will have no effect on the wealthy, but it really lowers the standard of living for the middle class. The lower class of non-achievers or unproductive will always end up living a middle class standard of living in this liberal America. Why? Because some folks believe that instead of the bare minimum of giveaway they should get according to their motivation and work ethic, everyone should live equally. Sorry but that NEVER EVER happens in real life. The middle class hard worker pays the way by having their families sacrificing so that the non-achievers get to live better than the hard workers. NO, I am not against welfare. I am against taking their incentive away from them to reach a higher ambition. I am against seeing those that may be lazy living it up when the middle class has to work hard and sacrifice. Instead of having everyone else sacrifice, why not just work on the small group of folks that really deserve a hand up? There is absolutely no reason why those on welfare cannot be made to earn their welfare, even if it is picking up trash, cleaning gov offices, baby sitting for those that are really working for a living, etc. I would not even discount the idea of work camps. Socialism did not work with the first settlers in America so why should it now? Remember the phrase "no work, no eat?"

Please explain how the President will not allow "pre-existing" conditions to preclude anyone from obtaining reasonable healthcare insurance? He has had over 3 1/2 years to come up with the "terrific" Obamacare replacement plan that he promised during the last election. Instead we get some bulls**t executive order 5 weeks before the next election that does nothing but promises to look into protecting pre-existing conditions. Oh yes, and the President has joined a lawsuit that the Supreme Court will hear on November 10 to abolish Obamacare, and a bribe of a $200 Medicare prescription card to get the senior vote.