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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna
Bucco, I'm not saying that I agree with all that Alinsky said or proposed. If he dedicated his book to Satan, shame on him. He has that right in this country, but I don't have to agree with him.
But I was surprised to learn that he was non-violent. Should I have known that earlier? -- probably, particularly in that I'm from the South Side of Chicago and had relatives who worked in the stock yards. In fact, my Dad went to high school only blocks from the stock yards during the years that Alinsky was so active there. I was surprised because you consistently referred to both Alinsky and William Ayers as "bad guys". Ayers certainly was, and I mistakenly assumed that Alinsky was as well. But my research didn't prove that. Alinsky was smart and effective, but from all that I read did nothing illegal or even immoral.
I can certainly understand why people who are true conservatives differ with Alinsky's social agenda. I'm specifically not referring to the Republican party or even the "blue dog" Democrats because neither have embraced true conservative principles in their legislation and governance in several decades.
But what was most surprising to me was to read Alinsky's twelve Rules For Radicals. Each and every one of Alinsky's rules have been consistently used by almost all candidates for political office from both parties in the last few elections. I found that quite amazing. He must have discovered something pretty important to have that many politicians embrace his tactics.
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Alinsky was aligned with the communist party in Chicago.
He worked with Frank Nitti and Al Capone to organize labor there.
I dont recall any one person ever saying he was violent.
Read on you will be disgusted even though you are correct about his rules being used. As I said it is so bad that the Clintons had her writings on him buried while in office and that you can verify on the net anywhere.
I made the point during the campaign that President Obama was very very enamored with him and studied him at great length as did Che Guevara.
Sorry you did not read the many links I provided earlier. This is ONE of the associates, NOT THE ONLY ONE, that bothered and bothers me about our current President as I said then. As an organizer, he was very very much involved in what Alinsky said.....he, despite the rebuttals, had an association with Bill Ayers, another radical (dont care if he reformed or not...he is a killer)....these kind of associations would absolutely derail any politician (see the Clinton hiding of her writings) at any other time...and if we are honest we know that is the case. However, the hate for Bush and the decision by the media that Obama was the "one".....so much of this has been covered...it will surface I truely believe it. He is a great orator and with the Bush years it was the perfect storm to make this election possible.
Read more about Alinsky...I never said he as a man was violent...but VK...dont know about you....but I was always taught that you are known by your associations !!! People in public life sometimes cannot help sometimes having "questionable" associations, but a man in his mid 40's whose primary and most significant associations are radical and "questionable" are what scare me and I have yet to hear anything or see anything to dissuade me from that fear !