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Originally Posted by Bilyclub
You call it defensive, I call it obstructive. Especially when they refuse to turn when clear and wait for the next green light. 
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Welllllll...if they’re still behind the stop bar, then it would be illegal to start your turn after the light turns red. That’s why you proceed into the intersection...across the stop bar... while the light is green. Then when the light turns red you’re simply clearing the intersection after the approaching traffic stops and before the cross traffic starts up... there is a 1-2 second all red clearance phase just for this purpose.