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Originally Posted by golfing eagles
Nice try ladies and gentlemen, but that IS NOT what I said. I SAID that a fully vaccinated individual WHO ACQUIRED IMMUNITY COULD NOT acquire or spread the virus. For those with reading comprehension issues, that means I EXCLUDED the 5% that you are referring to.
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Here you're paraphrasing yourself from post #20: "
If you are fully vaccinated you CANNOT get the virus, you CANNOT spread the virus, and you CANNOT infect others. Period. PERIOD!!!!! (This does not include the 5% who do not acquire immunity)." Fully vaccinated merely means that you have received the full course of whichever version of the vaccine you were given. It does NOT mean 100% immunity. Here is the quote from the CDC you're stuck on "
All COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States are effective at preventing COVID-19 as seen in clinical trial settings." See 100% anywhere in there? Nope, me either.
Although you did change your phrasing somewhat in post #32 ("
Again, a fully vaccinated and immune person CANNOT get and CANNOT spread COVID. PERIOD!!!!!"), it's
still counter to what the 'efficacy' of the vaccine actually is (which you seem to believe is interchangeable with 'immunity'). Here is a link to a TIME article which explains what 'efficacy' & 'effectiveness' actually mean:
Breaking Down What COVID-19 Vaccine Effectiveness Means | Time The meat of the article
..."it’s important to understand what these companies were actually measuring to come up with their efficacy numbers. In the case of the COVID-19 vaccines, the researchers were measuring how well their vaccines protected against symptoms of COVID-19. So their vaccine efficacy numbers refer to how well they lowered people’s chance of getting sick with COVID-19. Pfizer-BioNTech’s vaccine is 95% efficacious, meaning that for vaccinated people, it was 95% efficacious in protecting people from getting COVID-19 symptoms. It does not mean that 95% of people vaccinated won’t get COVID-19 and 5% will." Which is the same way I've read & heard it explained several times. There's more to this article but I don't want to be a spoiler.
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles
Do I need to quote the CDC again????? Or is the paragraph above clear enough? OR SHOULD I SHOUT LOUDER????
Now that I explained why I am right and you are wrong-----I'll explain what you read on the CDC site but failed to understand.....and I'll just use an example to explain.
If 100 people are "fully vaccinated", SOME of them can still acquire and spread the virus, but likely will get less ill and are less likely to die. THESE are the 5%.
So yes, if you word it that way, fully vaccinated individuals can acquire and spread the disease.
But I was referring to the 95%. These people were fully vaccinated AND FULLY IMMUNE. So to shout it once again for those that are heard of hearing, THESE PEOPLE CANNOT GET OR SPREAD COVID. And once again, PERIOD!
I can't make it any simpler than that.
So thanks to those that tried to muddy the water with "their own reading" and then formed their own mutual admiration society thanking each other for their "contributions".
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Maybe you need to do a little more reading & less shouting?
