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Originally Posted by Bill14564
Do you trust those two vaccine shots that you took (and insist on advertising) or not? If you do then what risk does an unvaccinated person pose to you?
The last numbers I saw implied that the chance of a vaccinated person contracting covid was about 0.008% (1 out of 13,000). Remember, these were early numbers collected when less than 1/3 of the country had been vaccinated and new infections among unvaccinated people were still very high.
If a cruise ship is bursting at the seams it will still have fewer than 6,000 passengers. At one infection for 13,000 vaccinated people, this means fewer than one-half of a person would be infected. But most cruise passengers would be vaccinated - even a random sample of Americans would have over 60% vaccination rate - and this would lower the chances of encountering an unvaccinated person even more. So less than one-half of one person on a cruise might be expected to contract covid.
So do you trust the vaccine that you took to protect you or don't you? If you do trust it then the unvaccinated passengers pose no risk to you. Take the precautions (your two vaccine shots) to protect yourself then stay out of everyone else's business.
Curiosity. "I'm protected from Covid due to the two vaccine shots that I took but I still want to know whether *you* have been vaccinated because ____" You don't need to know in order to be protected, you need to know because of some other personal reason. I used "curiosity" for a catch-all.
As safe an environment as possible. Be very careful what you wish for. There may be many other things that have better than a 1 in 13,000 chance of affecting you that you wouldn't want to do without. I imagine lowering the speed limit to 50mph and strictly enforcing it would save many lives if we wanted to have as safe an environment as possible. Strictly limiting alcohol on your cruise would help make a safer environment. Avoiding ports in countries with civil unrest or which are known for crime or which have less than first-rate medical facilities would lead to a safer environment.
95% for passengers and 98% for staff. Is there any science behind these numbers or were they chosen because they feel good? If 80% - 90% is a good guess to reach herd immunity then why is 95% the minimum for a safe cruise?
Heck, your grocery store and restaurant don't have a 95% vaccination requirement, do you avoid them because they are not safe enough? There is no study that shows Covid transmission only occurs on cruise ships or on the 2nd day of sailing. There are no cruises today so any new infections (20,000 per day recently?) are occurring at places that you might regularly visit. Are you masking up or requiring proof of vaccinations or are you confident that you are protected by the two vaccine shots you took?
Bottom line is this: I believe the numbers coming out of the vaccine trials and I trust the numbers coming out of the real-world observations. Those who have been vaccinated are protected from the unclean around them. Over 60% of Americans have been vaccinated with that number growing every day so the chance of a vaccinated person meeting one of the unclean is small and decreasing every day. The vaccinated should feel good about themselves and go on with life and stop trying to force their will on others.
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I most certainly trust the Moderna vaccine I received and, I might add, extremely proud to claim that I have been vaccinated. Wanting to cruise on a ship with 100% vccinated people on board has nothing to do with feeling unsafe. It has everything to do with what the protocols may be if there were an outbreak on a ship that has un-vaccinated people on it.
I trust there will no such problem with an outbreak large enough to negatively impact a cruise on a completely vaccinated ship. Allow un-vaccinated people on board and that is asking for trouble. Trouble I want no part of. Missing ports, having to quarantine, closing down venues on board the ship, and worst of all, turning the ship around and cutting short the cruise. These are very real possibilities and the reasons I do not want to cruise with un-vaccinated people, not that my safety is compromised.