My father would always take me with when he went car shopping, started when I was in the single digits, good education. When I buy a new car I tell the salesperson that I want a written quoit, out the door price, model ,color options, that I will price three other dealerships and do business with the best price, any change in the price I walk. When they appraise my car I go with so they cannot hold my car hostage,, over the years I have gotten the impression I am not the preferred customer. The few car salesmen I have know have made no secret that "they" always have at LEAST some contempt for the customer. "If god did not want them shorn he would not have made them sheep"
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