is reflective of a society that has a problem with calling a spade a spade.
I maintain doing WHAT EVER IT TAKES to get the required information.

Those who hide behind the pretense of the hallowed high ground of...we are more humane and don't do that sort of thing or we use coercive interrogation techniques is bull honkey!!! They too will sing to a different tune when the have a personal stake in the equation instead of an intellectual, uninvolved hypothesis.

WHAT EVER IT TAKES!!!!!!!!!

BTK